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@werdermouth 

Not for the first time. And not for the first time you’ve been a bit more eloquent!


   
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Sorry I’ll blame it on old age ! (Not the 🍷)

 

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Apparently BBC Radio 5 live are saying Carrick has got the job 

or has someone already said that on here ?

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When going to a new job it must be very comforting to bring in others you’ve worked with and this seems to be the trend in football. That’s ideal for the new boss as he doesn’t have to build relationships with existing staff plus he won’t have to worry about whether or not he will get on with them.

I’ve no problem with this trend providing the people coming in are a successful team , and as quoted, Cough and Taylor were the obvious pair. ( did they also take a former Boro player with them -forgot  his name)

Carrick is an untried coach and , as stated one of his team has been incredibly unsuccessful for a long time and Phelan has done nothing for many years. So, I would be most concerned at these three coming in. Carrick on his own and working with who is already at Boro is a non starter. Plus he probably wouldn’t accept the job on those terms.

If other staff are well thought of at Boro they should be retained in what they are doing - to shunt some of them sideways would be wrong.

The problem is CW and “ his staff” have left and so it’s inevitable that the new person will bring in “ his own staff / mates”

The Boro job looks incredibly difficult as the new person will be inheriting a team devoid of confidence and leadership whilst at the same time they need to be coached in how to play.

I don’t envy Steve Gibson in his deliberations as there’s no stand out candidates in those being touted for the job.

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Wasn't Phelan touted for the manager's job before Karanka was appointed - or is my ageing memory playing tricks on me?


   
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Well if it turns out to be true, I only hope that Carrick and his cronies only get a contract until the end of 2024 at best.

I also hope that I am totally wrong in my belief that this ship MFC,  is heading for the rocks without a rudder.Somebody out of work for 18 months I believe, so without recent experience and then a quite difficult job to convince the players he is the one. I just do not see it.

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@exmil 

I guess the BBC wouldn't make up stories so it must be true - a leap into the unknown that nobody can say if it will go well - now where did I put my half-full glass again...

…next to the rose-tinted glasses


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Well, we played the first half better than Millwall did on Saturday. But they scored a fluke goal with a deflection.

Silly defending for their second goal - was it Jones or McNair who went missing in there? But cannot remember much from the rest of the game. Neither team played well enough to be remembered. 

About the possible Carrick appointment.  I haven't seen it confirmed elsewhere than in this blog. If true, you were the first. Well done again, lads and lasses.

It is very interesting as I and my wife will be at the Riverside for the naxt game - at home to Blackburn.  Boro are not in top form now but I hope the new manager has an affect for at least the next three matches when we are on Tessside.

Hope to get a confirmation today. To get some excitement before the visit. Up the Boro!


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I guess the problem with arguing that the new man shouldn’t bring in unsuccessful coaches with him is that, if he doesn’t, he’ll be working with the unsuccessful coaches we’ve already got.


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@andy-r     I think the argument is about rhe quality and number of new incomers.   As far as I am aware, only Chris Wilder and Alan Knill have left MFC.

That leaves the Goal Keeping Coach from Man U and what I would term the background staff, Analysts, Medical people including the Physios and probably one or two others.

Do they really need to be replaced, likewise the Acadamy, under 23’s etc.

The big question is why has no other club shown interest in Carrick (that I know of) before now? Has he been waiting for an EPL club, that has not rang and MFC are probably his last chance to get back into Coaching. His two proposed sidekicks should have both retired by now.

This is all so disappointing.

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This is from this mornings Northern Echo. They have been pretty much on the ball in the past.

 

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/23034443.boro-chiefs-will-provide-managerial-update-leo-percovich-coaches-today/


   
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Posted by: @original-fat-bob

Apparently BBC Radio 5 live are saying Carrick has got the job 

 

or has someone already said that on here ?

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And WBA has released Steve Bruce.

West Bromwich Albion have parted company with manager Steve Bruce after eight months in charge.

The 61-year-old ex-Manchester United defender left following the Baggies' home draw with Luton Town on Saturday.

The backroom staff of Steve Agnew, Stephen Clemence and Alex Bruce have also left West Brom, with under-21 coach Richard Beale named interim boss.

It is always interesting to see that Agnew is available as he lives locally in Hutton Rudby. He must be an option for a coaching role alongside Leo Percovich, when a new manager is hired.

But I think Bruce is arriving too late for the manager's job, though.

Up the Boro!


   
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Steve Agnew was a failure last time at Boro


   
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Malcolm

i don’t think Steve Agnew was a failure at the Boro last time as he inherited a squad and tactics which was assembled by Karanka with overseas players who didn’t want to play for Boro.

He was and still is highly regarded by Steve Gibson although I doubt if he will return to Boro at the moment.

This merry manager go round is a bit of a lottery with the same faces moving from club to club and none being very attractive to the fans who are hungry for success.

My choice would be Carrick as he has a good playing and coaching cv having worked with some of the best in the business. He would command respect from players due to his career to date and is the right age to develop his career with Boro.

I think he’s favourite for the job !

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It is disappointing to see that we  are being linked to every rejected bit of flotsam in the managerial market, we seem to have no contact with the inner football market, the one which knows and has contact with some Young man who is doing well with some lesser club on the continent, because this is where the stars are born. Even better, we should be an easy turn round project. Ground, training complex, situation, support. It amazes me that we have not appointed Juninio as our agent in South America, if ever there was a happy hunting ground for Young footballers it must be there. It should be possible to recruit at least three Good Young prospects per year for our youth setup, and he is the man to connect us to any really possible player signings. We, at this moment have no idea what we are doing. The comedy of errors going on with josh is enough to bring tears to the eyes. Could have, should have, played the last dozen matches as striker last season (we had no striker) should have played every match this season (we still have no striker) god help us if he shoots the lights out at Bristol, because we have no control whatsoever over anything to do with the technicalities of who pays, signs, or plays in our team.      


   
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Posted by: @original-fat-bob

Apparently BBC Radio 5 live are saying Carrick has got the job 

 

or has someone already said that on here ?

OFB

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The happiest man in the country at present is Steve Bruce's Bank Manager.  All that heavy lifting with regard to the pay-offs received after each sacking. He won't have got through the money received from beiong sacked by Newcastle Utd yet, let alone his wages and now the pay-off from WBA. Basically an unsuccessful manager probably receives more money via pay-offs/compensation payments, followed by getting a new job and then being sacked from that one, than a manager who stays at the same club for a lengthy period.  Football is a completely mad business.


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Still no sign of white smoke over Rockliffe - did BBC Five Live go too early or were they fed duff information?

I must admit sleeping on the decision to appoint Carrick it sounds less convincing and particularly if he was planning to bring René Meulensteen and Mike Phelan with him. Especially if you consider it's nearly ten years since Carrick worked under Meulensteen at Man Utd - while he may regard that as being his peak playing days and credit the Dutch coach as getting the best out of him, it doesn't really follow that he'll do the same for Boro players.

Maybe Phelan is the bad cop to Meulensteen softer good cop - a sergeant major to crack the whip and the other to get into their minds and rebuild confidence. However, where's the missing person with the knowledge of knowing how to get through the Championship and manage within the limitations of the squad?

I recall Woodgate's voyage into the unknown at Boro where he wanted to play like Liverpool but finding out he didn't have Liverpool's squad at his disposal as his theory floundered on the rocks. Will Carrick think he can build a tribute act to Sir Alex Fergusson with two of his old sidekicks - which was not dissimilar to what Solskjær tried when he got the job at Old Trafford.

Indeed, is Sir Alex advising Carrick on who to include in his coaching team? Is his pitch more presentation over substance in the absence of any real track record - plus as mentioned, it's almost a year since he left his coaching role at United but so far no offers for his services. If he was that impressive you might have expected he may have had offers.

Meanwhile, Wilder being tipped to take over at West Brom - hopefully Steve Bruce is not getting a late call from Steve Gibson!

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The history of Steve Bruce as a manager is that of an opportunist who whilst gaining promotion with Birmingham City to the Premier League in 2007 (his longest stay with any of his 12 clubs) and Hull City in 2016 with whom he also took to the Premier League, is littered with resignations and dismissals.

The full story of his 24 year history of managerships is well documented by Wikipedia and arguably worthy of a TV soap opera. God forbid that Steve Gibson falls into the trap of approaching him to be number 13.

 


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Alas I fear that it isn’t going to matter who is appointed manager because I doubt that even Alex Ferguson himself in his prime could do much with the current squad of players. Goodness knows what has been going on behind the scenes at the club but the players look completely shot - no energy, no enthusiasm, low on commitment, disinterested, apathetic and lost.  Not even Leo’s huge energy and drive could rouse them on Saturday.  Maybe some of them can be revitalised and regain their old spark but it is going to take a substantial influx of new blood - some hopefully from the academy and some from outside - who are not tarnished by what has been happening at the club to start any serious recovery.  In the interim I fear the best we can hope for is that there might just be three teams worse than us this season.


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After a Saturday match when do players return for training 🤔

Come on BORO.


   
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Crikey, it’s doom and gloom on here again, understandably I guess, given the team’s performances this season. 

I can’t see anyone who’s enthusiastic about the names in the frame for the manager’s job, although a big thumbs up to @ofb for expressing a preference for Carrick. 

If I was a successful manager I’d struggle to see a reason to accept the job at the moment. Promotion seems extremely unlikely, relegation could still be a possibility and we have developed a strategy of sacking mangers relatively quickly once the fans turn against them. The players look lost and not up for a fight and we don’t seem to have a long term plan that an upcoming coach could buy into and yet, as a club and fan base, we seem to believe that we should be in the Premier League, despite no evidence to justify that position. 

We want a manager with loads of experience, but we want them to be young and hungry for success, others want someone who knows their way around the Championship but who hasn’t failed there, nor been sacked. We don’t want a hungry ex-PL player because he wants to bring his chosen assistants who we consider to be failures or past it. 

Who’d be Steve Gibson right now? If I was him I’d be seriously thinking about whether I wanted to keep ploughing in the money for no reward. I’d have thought he has enough on his plate with Bulkhaul, which must be feeling the pinch in the current economic climate. If he pulled the plug on Boro, where do we go from there? 

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@martin-bellamy    All very true Martin as I have posted some similar points on this this.

If I was a successful manager I’d struggle to see a reason to accept the job at the moment.

And that statement, which I agree with, is why we are scrapping around the barrel at this time. If you want to change your Coach then do it between seasons. Otherwise you will have a limited choice and the majority of the time not a successful one. 

However even then there are no guarantees. But saying all of this, Carrick would not be my choice and I would gamble on Edwards

 


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I'd bring back Warnock with Liam Rosenior as coach, 


   
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Posted by: @exmil

After a Saturday match when do players return for training 🤔

Come on BORO.

I think Leo said  Sunday was off, then back training today (Monday).

I still think Boro is one of the best places to be a manager. We have a great chairman, who invested a lot to new players in the summer and the fan base is one of the best.

Is there a better club available in Championship now? The Sheffield Utd  job or Norwich are not available now. In 90 % of the cases when a manager is hired is like Boro now.

The grass is not any greener in other clubs. Boro is a club most managers have been waiting ffor.pity that Mogga did not wait long enough and is not available now.

Up the Boro!


   
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The more rumours I hear about Carrick and his two side kicks being appointed the more concerned I become. What has he got to offer ?  - he  played lots of Premiership games and 30 plus games for England. Does that potentially  make him a good manager? There’s lots of international players who have failed at managing a team and very few successful ones. So how is he different?             If appointed he is a definite gamble.

Of the limited choices  available I’d go for Corberan on the grounds he took over Huddersfield who were heading for relegation, got them to massively overachieve in reaching a play off final last year  with a group of free transfer players. (total spend was about £2m)

So, in his first managerial appointment he has been successful at this level and is  respected for his passion, attention to detail, ability to change formations during games and from game to game and is excellent in motivating average players.

The downside ? For whatever reason things didn’t work out at Olympiacos.(sorry for the spelling)

Part of me would like Steve Gibson to surprise us all and come up with someone we’ve never heard of - after all, he did it before with Karanka who got us to the promised land.

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@philip-of-huddersfield How did Bryan Robson, Steve McClaren, Gareth Southgate (sacked too early imho) Aitor Karanka do as MFC managers, all first managerial appointments.

Come on BORO.


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I know that they haven’t shown it but I firmly believe that our squad is perfectly capable of challenging for the top six in this league. Yes, there are flaws but every team at our level has them. Our main issues, in my opinion have been a loss of confidence and form rather than lack of quality.

I think Chris Wilder effectively spat his dummy out when he didn’t get everything and everyone he wanted over the summer (and possibly in January) as well as flirting with other clubs and that caused some disharmony and tension that filtered onto the field.

This season has basically gone now but I think  the underperformance, and therefore the big potential to move upwards, must be an attractive quality for a prospective manager. I think that any half decent manager can keep this squad up and get them into midtable.

If the key criteria is to bring someone in who can work harmoniously within the club structure, then the chances are we will have to look to a younger, less experienced coach or overseas where such hierarchical arrangements are more commonplace. Both options come with risks either via lack of managerial know-how or lack of Championship understanding, or even both.

I don’t believe Gibson will trust a more senior manager. Chris Wilder must have told him he bought into the clubs plans when he arrived, when quite clearly he didn’t. I don’t think Gibson will risk that again unless it was someone he trusted implicitly.

I absolutely loved Wilderball whilst everyone was pulling in the same direction but, from my understanding, the tactics and training sessions were run by Alan Knill. It’s a shame we couldn’t keep him and just install a new figurehead as head coach.


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