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Teams have started to target    our fullbacks, realizing our weakness , Giles was signed to play wingback ,not the same in a four, think Bola needs to be brought in if not just to get him up to speed , Lenehan is also poor on the ball and struggles with balls behind ,Mcgree is also our best midfielder , even having an off day can produce something, otherwise,I think we are the best team after Burnley, I think we are in the play offs now, the others have to make a three game turn around if we lose five in a row COB


   
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@selwynoz An excellent sum-up there. Especially the part about Smith. He saved us an goal with his clearance, too.

I think the first Brissol goal came against the run of the play. But it was bad defending and this seems to happen the way we play. So not an individual but a team problem.

We are still in a good position even we have picked up only one point from the last nine possible (3 last games). We have a six point gap to the chasing pack  and there is only five games left.

So a couple of wins from the remining matches. Let's hope we keep the two points per match average until and including the play-offs. 

Up the Boro!

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During our best run under Carrick we were often closer to losing than it looked. During this, our first blip, we are probably closer to winning than it seems. Against Warnock FC we had a mad 20 minutes but still had a goal ruled out and could easily have ended up drawing. Against Burnley we were outclassed, but not by much, and could easily have ended up with a draw. Yesterday, despite being poor for half a game we could easily have won.

It's easy to keep the faith when the breaks go for you, now it's a question of keeping the faith while the breaks go against us. 

We are undoubtedly paying the price for consistency in team selection. Consistency got us one of the best runs on results in 40 years but, eventually, picking from the same 12-13 to start every match has led to fatigue and some loss of form at a time when we have our busiest period of the season under Carrick.

We are short of central defenders; ironically our remaining defenders would be happier in a three: Smith/Jones - Dijksteel - Lenihan - McNair - Giles. I don't see Carrick switching to that; he has after all spent 1/2 a season coaching the team to play the way it does.

We are surprisingly reliant on Howson. When he's off his game the whole team struggles.

Although you can't argue against Crooks's scoring record when he's playing up front, you do feel that you are 1/2 a man down. Oddly, Crooks's best position seems to be Akpom's. Crooks has a great range of passing, loves to drift to the right and is fantastic when arriving late in the box. Like Akpom, Crooks struggles when playing with his back to goal.

I am surprised that Forss isn't moved to CF with Crooks playing on the right when Archer isn't available. Forss and Akpom played really well together. Akpom struggles a bit when Crooks is playing CF because he isn't stretching the defence and Crooks tends to occupy the same position that Akpom is heading for.

Anyway, it's disappointing to have a blip but it was always going to happen and we'll learn a lot about how the team and Carrick work their way through it. I suspect that he's going to keep doing it the Carrick way with no massive changes.


   
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Not a comfortable watch for me as I felt BC were far better organised defensively than we were and made it more difficult for us to score than we did for them.

We could have been 2-0 down in the first fifteen minutes but for a good block by Lenihan and save by Steffen where as we did not register a shot on goal until the second half.

I agree with Deleriad that until his goal Crooks did not offer a lot playing at CF and we looked a much better unit once Archer and McGree were introduced.

MC has made much about the squad and that he will need them all to play their part but he hasn’t rotated much and it appears there are some tired minds and legs on display.

It was good to see the fight back, yet again, and if only we could sort out the defending we would be a lot more comfortable.  

We are not back to pre-international break form and I suspect that may not happen over these last few matches as teams are clearly beginning to work out how to counter our strengths and exploit our weaknesses, so it could be a bit of a rollercoaster ride.  

Our current cushion of 6 points + goal difference should be enough to ensure we make the playoffs, I just hope we go into them with confidence, greater solidity and with our key players on the top of their game.  A lot to ask but that’s what we will need to make it to the PL. 😎


   
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Still, after our blip, we have played a total of 25 games well in the Championship under Michael Carrick. And gained 51 points with 16 wins, 3 draws and lost six.

All the above makes it 2,04 points per match in the Championship under MC. That is magnificent as we were fighting against relagation in October when he arrived as the Head Coach. 

If we can get back to our normal level, we could easily be in upper half of the play-offs.  And if still gaining 2 points per match in the play-offs, we could end up in our dream place, too.

The hard thing is get the team going again. We have two matches per week for the remaining of the season. Up the Boro!


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Good Morning, follow Diasboro readers/followers/contributors.

I am having a breather from reading the various posts sent to this thread during and following the game at Bristol City.  If it doesn't put my place on these pages at risk, I will pose a question to you before going back to read the later posts above.

"A rare sporting event took place over the Easter weekend. When it last occurred:

1. Florence Nightingale was still alive  (!!!).

2. Herbert Asquith was Britain's Liberal Prime Minister.

3. Women didn't have the vote in this country."

That is the definition of Rare....  What was it?


   
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Bristol City v Boro: I didn't watch the game.  For reasons I won't go into, the visit to the "Murdered Monkey" to watch the match live on SkyTV whilst nursing a glass of something uplifting didn't happen.  And although I had expected my pot of tea at the start of the game to be followed by the opening of a bottle of something red and grape-derived at half-time that, too, didn't happen.  The end result was that I listened to the game on BBCTees.

It sounded exciting in the way that an athlete tripping up in the 800 metres, and then having to race at full pelt to catch up before the end of the race, is exciting. Not good for the heart though!

It sounded as though the team struggled at the back and in the midfield to contain Bristol. But it came right at the end with two goals in quick succession to balance the two goals conceded and it MIGHT have been a win if Archer's cracking late finish from a tight angle hadn't been disallowed for offside (equally it might have been a defeat, despite the comeback, if Bristol had scored from a good chance at the very end).

What do we take from it all? Well, the losing streak of two games (what would we have given at other times to have lost only TWO in a row?) has now been ended and didn't grow to three.  Fears that the Boro train had been derailed might now be thought premature.  But the engine clearly isn't running as sweetly as it was only a few weeks ago, so the occurrence of future problems can't be ruled out.

We conceded another two goals so that makes it 8 in 3 games.  The team's defence would have to be considered less than watertight.

The keeper, responsible for some irregular heartbeats in your correspondent here, made saves that, if I remember correctly, earned him the Maddo BBCTees Man of the Match award.  Fry, the player many had clamoured for a recall to the starting line-up, is said to have been injured in training and therefore didn't make the matchday squad. Added to the fact that Matt Clarke has been on the long-term injured list for months, the team now has a shortage of central defenders and those who are fit (and selected) don't appear to be playing as well as they were playing earlier in the season.

Many have criticised Smith as a full-back. Maybe this wasn't his best game, but then neither were his games against Burnley and Huddersfield. Giles HAS played very well for most of the season and although there is probably some truth to the assertion other teams are targetting him on the basis he is not really a defensive full-back, the reality is that many of our chances and goals come from balls he had played in from the right wing, and it is obvious he is one of our key players if the team is doing well.

Howson and Hackney, it would seem by common consent, have played very well this last 5 months or so but the standards have dropped more recently.

Crooks may be many things (a very decent bloke, a great charity fund-raising man and a very enthusiastic member of the team) but he isn't really a striker, a Number 9, at a team at the top-end of the Championship hoping to be a Premier League Club in a month or so. HOWEVER he scores goals and did so again at Bristol.  If a striker keeps on striking then clearly he is fulfilling the major part of his role. And I get the point that Akpom has missed a couple of "easy" headers in the last two games which, between them, may be said to have cost 3 points, but he has scored regularly thoughout Carrick's reign at the club and he looks a likely candidate to hit the mythical 30-goal target this season, so he MUST be doing a lot that is very right.  We will see how much right, by the interest which will no doubt be shown in him by Premier League clubs in a few weeks time, especially if Boro should NOT be promoted this season. Overall he is the Player of the Season so far.

Ramsey has shown some promise and seems likely to go back to Villa at the end of the season with some hope that he might have a chance to play games there, and Archer has also done OK and scores, too, though it is difficult to see him as a Number 9.  This is a team that seems ALMOST there, and might yet manage to get over the line, despite its shortcomings.  Realistically the majority of Championship teams suffer from shortcomings.  That is why they are Championship clubs.

I remember hearing one football pundit (can't now remember who) saying that if a team is struggling in midfield than clearly it is the midfield that needs sorting out; that if a team is struggling at the back it is because the defence isn't getting the protection and support it needs from the midfield; and that if the strikers are not scoring enough goals it is because the midfield isn't creating the opportunities needed to score -  that, basically, it's all down to the midfield. That seems a harsh way to look at things, but we can certainly say that Boro's defence is looking very porous even if the attack is coming up with the goals. It's just that if you keep clean sheets you only need to score ONE goal to win.  The goals this team has scored should have been converted into more wins/points.  Obviously it's not as bad as it was when Clough was scoring 40-odd at one end and the defence was conceding like it had gone out of fashion at the other end, but you get the point... If this team had been in the Premier League 2022-23, the goals conceded would have hit record levels.

DESPITE which, Boro currently lies fourth in the table as the play-offs hove into view. With a slight improvement in recent fortunes, promotion can still be achieved via the play-offs (if we all concede that automatic promotion, always a long shot, has now completely gone out of the window). Some confidence-building will be needed in the changing rooms. That's Michaal Carrick's job and obviously he has the medals and the character to earn the ear of the playing staff in that regard. It's a pity that the curse of Manager of the Month has reared its ugly head after March's glories.

The problem is that the game is one of momentum.  The momentum was all with Boro just a couple of short weeks ago. It feels as though the wind has changed direction BUT the prize is still there.  And a win against a resurgent (?)  Norwich on Saturday 15th April would see the tide turn again and give confidence that the team can face the play-offs as a favoured team. The tap may have been recently turned off but a win next Saturday will see the flow come back on. It is STILL ON but it won't be easy and will go, as people have been predicting for some time, right to the wire. Fingers crossed ....

 

 

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Probably a game Boro should have won really but more bad defending has cost us - Boro have conceded 8 goals in the last three games, which if you consider they've only conceded 9 in the 14 games played in Jan ,Feb and March then we need look no further for the cause of the dip in form.

I still expect Boro to comfortably make the playoffs as long as they win a couple more games (hopefully the next two home games) as can't see three other teams all winning 4 and drawing 1 of their last five. Hopefully the comeback will give them confidence for Friday as three points needed to steady the ship.


   
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I've just watched the match and there's really nothing to say about that defensive display that hasn't already been said, apart from the fact I agree with everyone, leg waving, naive, bad positioning and players who suddenly seemed unsure of their role and what to do. As someone pointed out not so long ago just what are the defensive coaches doing?

 Boro simply cannot go on shooting themselves in the foot as they have been and sliding back towards "Typical Boro" at the same time, mind you that phrase is a great catch-all for what Boro were and although we could all write a different definition for it we all know what it means..

Don't rest on your laurels with a draw after you woke up late Boro, defensive coaches get it sorted please.

UTB,

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@forever-dormo As I don’t want you to miss a match, I thought I would let you know we play Norwich on Friday night 2000 hrs kick off, not Saturday 👍. 

Come on BORO.


   
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I don’t know if anyone has noticed that after a bright start, things are taking the form as when Woodgate was manager, maybe it’s a new defensive coach that is required, just my thoughts.

Come on BORO.


   
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@exmil.  I agree Exmil that the defending had been getting worse rather than better.  

I am not sure if JW has particular responsibility for that part of the squad or is just a right hand man to MC.

Personally I always felt that JW was overrated as a defender and very rarely covered himself in glory when he played for us.  

We all know what happened when he was in charge!

Perhaps your suggestion of a new defensive coach is the way to address our current shortcomings. 😎


   
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I'm not sure that we need a new defensive coach as presumably the same coach was working with the players in the previous 14 games that saw only 9 conceded. Quite a few of the goals of late have been down to individual errors and you can't really blame the coach for that - plus I don't think better defensive coach is going to add pace to our back line, which the lack of has seen us exposed particularly down the right flank.

I also think Lenihan plays better with Fry as a partner and has looked below his best in recent games with McNair - indeed Boro's only two clean sheets since beginning of March have come on the two occasions Fry started (Reading and PNE).

Perhaps the other issue is that it's likely after 40 games the season is catching up on a few players - Howson's legs must be feeling it now and maybe young Hackney is feeling the mental strain in his excellent debut season. Not to mention that at the business end of the season with the pressure greater mistakes are more likely too.

I'm sure Carrick knows his players by now so he'll have to make the calls on who starts but I'd like to see the energy of Forss and McGree on the pitch and if players like Giles for example are not quite on their game then someone like Bola should get a start.

 


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I also think Lenihan plays better with Fry as a partner and has looked below his best in recent games with McNai

Agreed. For whatever reason, Lenihan & McNair just don't seem to gel as a unit. I think that combined with Hackney struggling means that we lack some defensive solidity right now. Thing is, without Fry recovering, we don't actually have any options. I'm also not convinced that Dijksteel or Bola will be any better defensively than Smith & Giles. Maybe if they get a run of games to get up to speed but by that point the season is gone.

I don't think it's a crisis, by any means, but we do need to nurse the team through this period.


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@exmil.  I agree Exmil that the defending had been getting worse rather than better.  

I am not sure if JW has particular responsibility for that part of the squad or is just a right hand man to MC.

Personally I always felt that JW was overrated as a defender and very rarely covered himself in glory when he played for us.  

We all know what happened when he was in charge!

Perhaps your suggestion of a new defensive coach is the way to address our current shortcomings. 😎

 

It’s weird isn’t it how memories can differ? I recall JW as a brilliant defender, whose positional knowledge was first class. I’m definitely not saying you’re incorrect, just that my view in the rear view window is different from yours. 

 


   
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@exmil - Sorry about that mis-typing! I KNEW the Norwich match has been rearranged for Friday evening at 8pm as I had altered the date on my mobile phone calendar - though it had been left on the house old-fashioned-paper "appointments calendar" in the hallway as being a Saturday game. I had checked the hallway calendar when I was typing the post but didn't look at my phone!  My wife is in hospital having an operation today and I obviously wasn't thinking at 100%.


   
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@martin-bellamy - In my view, Martin, Woody was an excellent centre-half who was obviously good enough to get contracts at Leeds, Newcastle and Real Madrid before injuries curtailed his performance (despite which he was able to play for Boro, Spurs and Stoke City after leaving Madrid). I think he had very good pace but also an excellent awareness and speed of decision-making.  I think if he had been able to retain fitness, you would have seen Woodgate (the "Pallister of the partnership") and Terry (thug) playing together many times for England and we might hardly have heard of Rio Ferdinand.


   
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I agree that it is not simply a problem with the defence. We have been looking tired or slightly off the boil  with our (previously) very sharp and crisp and accurate movement of the ball to often playing an underweighted ball, thereby losing possession and gifting the opposition an opportunity to pull our defence out of position.

I have also noticed that we have also dropped to pedestrian movement when we do have the ball, often the entire team coming to a standstill, making it difficult for whoever has the ball to find one or more options to play it to safely.

That said, Bristol's first goal was a shocker from our perspective. 

McNair committed himself to trying to make a challenge on the player with the ball - abandoning the Bristol player he had been shepherding. That then meant Smith was pulled in to cover off the Bristol player McNair had abandoned. Neither player was showing awareness of and covering the space to move the Bristol players. As a result, Smith left Bell totally unmarked in acres of space to punish us, without anyone tracking him back from midfield to cover. It really was school field football, with Boro sucked into our left quadrant and no one in the right. For me McNair was primarily at fault but then Smith should never have been drawn in so close to the player McNair had left free.

The second goal too was all about our defence watching the ball without being at all aware of where the opposition players were moving. 

In the second half, we did have a 25 minute spell or so when we re-discovered that fast and accurate movement of the ball, helped also by better movement of the players without the ball. During that period our defence wasn't really challenged to the point of looking shaky.

So, while I agree that our defence will need some serious sharpening up before next season whether we get promoted or not, we also need to strengthen midfield to be be able to maintain the fast passing game with more consistency, but also (and especially) to know how to cover defensive space when we are going backwards.

 


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Good post, selwynoz (1.10 am).  I like your point about Tommy Smith. I thought he was at fault for Burnley’s first (offside!) goal last week, which is why I’ve felt his defending hasn’t been as good of late. But you’re right, he rarely gets effective support from Forss. 

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Dormo

I’ve been trying to solve your quiz question, via the internet, but with little success. Florence Nightingale died in 1910. Asquith was PM from 1908-16, so this event must have occurred between 1908 -1910. Was it something to do with the London Olympics held in 1908? Otherwise, I haven’t a clue! 


   
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Is it this one? "Haaland moved on to a sensational 39 goals from 36 games across all competitions with his quintet in the 7-0 win over RB Leipzig. This broke Tommy Johnson's club record of 38 goals in a single season, which has stood for 94 years."


   
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Is it this one? "Haaland moved on to a sensational 39 goals from 36 games across all competitions with his quintet in the 7-0 win over RB Leipzig. This broke Tommy Johnson's club record of 38 goals in a single season, which has stood for 94 years."

I was thinking something connected with Cricket but my knowledge of the sport is just games Ingleby Greenhow CC has played with me as a spectatotor. I know Dormo is keen on that and Cambridge.

So my guess is: Yorkshire played at Bristol for the first time over a centenary  (time, not overs).

A second guess, it was obly the second time Boro and YCCC palyed in Bristol during the same Ester weekend. Not very precise, though.

Up the Boro!

 


   
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@clive-hurren @Jarkko @brissyred - Well, chaps, it's not one of those trick questions.  You know (and I'll make this up as an example) "When did X club last beat Y club in a league game?" when, in fact, they are several divisions apart and haven't been in the same division for 90 years (or Y club has been relegated out of the league for some years so it could never happen).  It a something in which there had been opportunities for the event to take place most years for well over a century, yet it didn't.


   
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Can't wait any longer so here it is.  Yorkshire CCC was a founder member of the formal County Championship (the dreaded cricket) in 1890, when formal rules were set up as regards points earned in matches (eg for winning a game), a fixture list was set up to ensure teams all played each other, so it could be clear where a team stood in the "Championship".  Previously for a few decades there had been an "unofficial" Championship where newspapers or by general acclamation, one particular county was held up to be the Champion County - but that team might have played say 8 games whilst another might have played 15 (and not necessarily including games against each other). Games had previously been "friendlies" and you could obviously choose which teams you wanted to play.

Leicestershire joined in the Championship in 1895. At that time teams played each other twice (home and away) and sometimes more than that. From 1960 to 1962 counties had to play a mimimum of 28 games but might play 32 (Yorkshire might want to have those extra games against teams which would result in larger crowds - so games against Surrey and Lancashire rather than Northamptonshire and Somerset).

The "unusual event" was Leicestershire beating Yorkshire in the County Championship at Headingley (now Yorkshire's HQ and home ground).  It hasn't happened since 1910.  That's despite the fact YCCC and LCCC would have played each other AT LEAST home and away from 1895 to 2000 when the 2-division Championship was introduced (after which the teams would play only when they were in the same division). Not every home game would have been played at Headingley of course, though it has been a home ground since 1891. In the early days, Sheffield and Bradford were major grounds and there were other "out" grounds including Acklam Park in Middlesbrough, but YCCC no longer plays at Bradford and Sheffield. Leeds is the home of most fixtures these days (with 2 games often played at Scarbados and one recently at York).  But the bulk of home games take place at Leeds.

Imagine: Florence Nightingale still alive! The "event" took place in 1910 (already 113 years ago!) and the nurse died  on 13th August 1910.  That was the year when a scandal arose after MFC beat Sunderland 1-0 and it was disovered the Boro manager Andy Walker had offered the Sunderland players £2 each to let Boro win. Walker was banned from the league.  Mind you, £2 would buy a lot in 1910...

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Excellent, Dormo! But no thanks for the reminder that Yorkshire have started the season on the back foot……..!! 


   
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Now for a bit of nostalgia regarding FA Amateur Cup Finals staged at Ayresome Park and also the strength of the Northern League in its heyday.  Apart from Wembley Stadium did you know that Ayresome Park has staged 9 FA Cup Finals (more than any other venue in England) in its long history?  What has made me think of this is an article in the Northern Echo revealing how Bishop Auckland came to the assistance of Manchester United in the aftermath of the Munich Air Disaster.                                                                                  

 

These are those 9 matches:-

13th April 1912 Stockton 1 Eston United 1 (attendance 20,479)                                       18th April 1912 Stockton 1 Eston United 0 (replay attendance 12,531)              16th April 1921 Bishop Auckland 4 Swindon Victoria 2 (attendance 21,097).       15th April 1922 Bishop Auckland 5 South Bank 2 aet (attendance 22,500)                                                                      14th April 1928 Cockfield 2 Leyton 3 (attendance 21,200).                                13th April 1935 Bishop Auckland 4 Wimbledon 0 (attendance 23,355)                     22nd April 1954 *Crook Town 1 Bishop Auckland 0 (attendance 36,727)    14th 14th April 1956 Bishop Auckland 4 Corinthian Casuals 1 (attendance 29,099).     21st April 1962 Crook Town 4 Hounslow Town 0 (replay attendance 13,277).         

* It should be noted that this match was a second replay, the poorest of the 3 matches following a couple of 2-2 draws that had both gone to extra time at Wembley (attendance 100,000) and at St James’s Park, Newcastle (attendance 60,000). Obviously not surprisingly fatigue had affected both teams. I’ve always been a keen follower of Northern League football so attended all those matches that occurred at Ayresome Park in my lifetime.

 

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As per Dormo’s quiz question I offered an alternative answer which concerned Boro. Initially I thought of Boro v Bradford Park Avenue, but that didn’t fit the profile. However Boro v Bury did in both 1908/09 (Boro losing 0-1 and 1-2) and 1909/10 (Boro losing 0-5 and 1-2), but of course Boro have beaten Bury several times in subsequent seasons.  I ought to have realised that the poser was centred about something that occurred just recently.    As per usual then Ken Smith bowled out for another duck!

 

 


   
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I guessed it was about cricket, didn't I? But not got the correct event, though. Up the Boro! 


   
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Well done Jarrko for anticipating that the answer to Dormo’s puzzle was about cricket!  There were other strange incidents that occurred in 1910 also - King George V had recently died and his son Edward VII ascended to the throne, also Doctor Crippen was on trial for murdering his wife.  Not that those two incidents would have helped you or I in solving the puzzle.   But strangely that was the year that Leicestershire last won at Headingley, and by 259 runs with a Yorkshire side including two of England’s finest cricketers George Hirst and Wilfred Rhodes in the side.  I’d be surprised if you’d have heard of either of them, but no excuses on my part as I should have known better even though I was no nearer to solving the puzzle as anyone else, although you were the nearest by anticipating that cricket was the clue.  As I stated earlier I was out first ball for the umpteenth time in my life!


   
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@ken I know my friend 😇.


   
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