Ultimately, a player valuation is just a feeling really - a guesstimate of the figure you think you and the other club would be prepared to pay or receive. Accordingly, Fry’s valuation will vary significantly even amongst Boro fans.
If West Han are interested, they can certainly afford to pay a large sum but with Fry’s contract just beginning to run out, they can also afford to wait. It will come down to how urgently they feel they need a centre-back and how good/how expensive their alternative targets are.
Certainly for January, Boro can demand a high fee knowing he would likely be expensive to replace.
My feeling on valuation is around £18m plus add ons for appearances and any International cap, though I don’t think we should accept that in January. If we’re somehow promoted that valuation goes up. If we don’t and he hasn’t signed a new deal, it probably goes down.
Chris Wilder just been shown at the England U21 qualifying match against the Chech Republic, England lead 3-1 HT.
Come on BORO.
@original-fat-bob But I was surprised he did not move upstairs at Boro. Non-Executive Director could have been a possibility.
Perhaps that was offered, we do not know. Warnock could still end up at Cardiff or Barnsley as a short-term manager. Who knows?
Up the Boro!
Rumours of player sales will increase as we move towards the January window. See Newcastle, they are interested in every man and his dog, but may struggle to get really top players in that will improve their league position.
Boro are at a completely different level and if we get offered good money for any of our players, then it will be hard to turn down. Economics!!
As for Fry and Spence? The notion that both are worth anything like north of ten mil, to me sounds like fantasy football.
Fry has failed to improve and one could say he has back over. For sure he needs to have a good CB alongside him. Secondly his injury record now puts doubt about his reliability.
Spence looks to have improved at Forrest and that may be down the the manager, system and regular game time. I think he has a couple of seasons at least on his contract, so no rush to cash in. Unless someone offers more than 6/7 mil.
@original-fat-bob Good article. I like Scott Wilson’s take on things Boro.
Sorry I can’t agree, and I don’t think Warnock would want that. I do agree though that his sacking could have been administered better. However it was no near the shambolic goings on at Yorkshire CCC which have been disgraceful.
Regarding DJed Spence his value is increasing day by day. He seems happy at Forest, but Boro hold his contract. Might he even put in a transfer request?
As far as JS is concerned, the Boro are probably in a win win situation as they can recall him in January and may end up with a rejuvenated player under CW or sell him to Forest if the price is right; at the moment it appears a loan move is working out well for a change. 😎
The gazette report that Wilder has signed an initial 2.5 year contract taking him to the end of the 23/24 season.
Come on BORO.
@deleriadu
It seems odd that we should pursue continuity, one would have thought that a complete end of the quite vile behaviour we have witnessed under this Manager would have been the first requirement. I have witnessed no logic whatsoever, in buying, tactics, dicipline. And selection would have had a better outcome if done by drawing lots.
Just been catching up in several days of posts on here!
I think Wilder is a positive advancement on Warnock but not what I would term a modern Manager in terms of tactics. The overlapping CB thing is a peculiar quirk of Knill and Wilder which has worked for them previously and may bring benefits and success to Boro. I certainly hope so but I can't see Guardiola or Klopp adopting it any time soon. That said someone has to be first and there have been previous similar tactics used historically so we wait and see.
Regarding the Hammers interest in Fry, it's a sell for me. I haven't seen anything to make me think his development is continuing and if anything I feel he has gone backwards. Throw in his seeming inability to complete an injury free season and I would cash my chips in. It's a gamble either way of course but my instinct tells me the money right now is worth more than potential which may never reach fruition.
Referencing your request from AV for some help in tracing an old Pub. There was a Kings Head in Grangetown.
Hope the link works.
About 80% of the way down the page there is a mention of someone visiting the Kings Head in Grangetown on a "Trackless Bus from North Ormesby".
@redcarred. “I haven't seen anything to make me think his development is continuing”.
I agree and have to ask has there been any development of existing Boro players under a succession of managers?
Traore made some progress under TP but apart from Traore I can’t think of any others; some in my view have gone backwards. 😎
Bola and Dijksteel and Jones have all made tremendous strides over past two seasons
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@original-fat-bob. Yes fair point, I had forgotten how poor Bola and Dijksteel were initially under JW.
Jones has certainly made an impact but how much of his development is down to his time at MFC rather than on loan elsewhere? 😎
Oh dear, Hartlepool’s long unbeaten home record has been shattered 1-2 by Newport County with a goal by Dom Telford three minutes into injury time. The next league game at home certainly won’t be easy against leaders Forest Green Rovers. Pools now need to improve their poor away form as it would be a shame if they become embroiled in a relegation battle.
There’s also a King’s Head pub in Great Ayton overlooking the beautiful River Leven which I can tell you had a special memory for me.
The year my wife died I was obviously lonely and I rang her best friend to ask if we could go out for a meal together as her husband was working on the oil rags. I didn’t get a reply from her at first and felt as if I had embarrassed her and myself, but in fact she was abroad on holiday and after picking up her voice mail on return home rang me to say that she was up for it. So I picked her up from her home and we drove to the King’s Head in Great Ayton thinking we were safe from prying eyes when suddenly a friend of hers approached our table and asked her if I was her toyboy whilst her husband was away. I felt so embarrassed and later asked her if her husband who I had never met, was aware of my taking his wife out for a meal. Thankfully she told me that he was, and later that year she asked what I was doing for Christmas as her husband would still be working away, so we agreed to go out together for a pre-Christmas meal. She got me through my initial loneliness and I was grateful to her for that.
A few years later I thought she might like some momento of my wife Enid and I decided to give her a ruby Bohemian Crystal vase she had bought in Prague. Her friend was delighted to receive it and then told me that it would be her Ruby Wedding anniversary later that year. I had no idea, but I know that Enid would have approved, another telepathic moment between my late wife and I.
Warnock on Talk Sport Tonight
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I’ve just seen this from Brian Bilston and it made me smile.