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@powmillnaemore

Unfortunately it was not I that penned the literary quotation ...

 

Just been to look back and it was RR actually.

Forever Dormo as well. 

And Aristotle got there a helluva long time before any of 'em:

“One swallow does not make a summer, neither does one fine day; similarly one day or brief time of happiness does not make a person entirely happy.”

Aristotle, The Nicomachean Ethics

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@malcolm

 

Djed Spence now there’s a player who’s had a kick up the proverbials and has a point to prove !

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anyone care to bet on whether he is playing for Boro next year? Feel free to add in Coulson, Hemming, Brynn or any of the others doing well on loan including Wood-Gordon.......if he ever gets on the pitch.

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@stircrazy

I fully understand the argument. One win is nothing if it is not followed by an other good performance and a point or three.

But I would also like to think a bit broader about life and future. And also Boro's performances. 

Our late president of Finland, Mr. Mauno Koivisto used to say:
"Suppose all goes well."

He himself was quoted in the announcement of President Mauno Koivisto's death. He was very popular as a person with his hubleness. What he meant was that why to worry for the worst as things usually go well in life. Do not panic, like.

I will try to follow this (I am not optimistic always and need to reming myself). And I look forward to enjoying a good game on Saturday. Life is better if it is enjoyed. Up the Boro!

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@jarkko

Aristotle also said "Happiness depends on ourselves" with another of his quotes being possibly one for Neil Warnock to ponder as he attempts to create a winning team: "The whole is more than the sum of its parts"

There's even one for the more cynical older Boro followers who unlike younger fans are often not taken in by a few good results: "Youth is easily deceived because it's quick to hope" and finally there's even a quote for the debate on Diasboro: "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"


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@selwynoz

I can't see any of those players returning to play under Warnock and even if Boro have a new man in charge, the squad will no doubt be in need of trimming again next summer if the club look to bring in new faces. There seems little point in Nathan Wood being on loan at Hibs if he's not playing and if others are not getting much pitch time they're not going to prove they're good enough to return to the fold. As for Spence, if he does well at Forest he will basically be putting himself in the shop window for a summer move.


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The club have announced that the match at Luton on Tuesday 2nd of November will be televised live on Sky. 😎


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Posted by: @stircrazy
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@powmillnaemore

Unfortunately it was not I that penned the literary quotation ...

 

Just been to look back and it was RR actually.

Forever Dormo as well. 

And Aristotle got there a helluva long time before any of 'em:....

Which reminds me:

Immanuel Kant was a real piss-ant who was very rarely stable.

Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could think you under the table.

David Hume could out-consume Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel.

And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel.

There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach 'ya 'bout the raising of the wrist.

Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed.

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will, after half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.

Plato, they say, could stick it away, half a crate of whiskey every day!

Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle,

And Hobbes was fond of his Dram.

And René Descartes was a drunken fart: 'I drink, therefore I am.'

Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;

A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed.

 

One of Monty Python's best 🙂


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The club have announced that the match at Luton on Tuesday 2nd of November will be televised live on Sky.

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Just been catching up on the excellent opener from Andy and the thought provoking posts that ensued which even Aristotle himself would have approved of!

On paper (or should that be Papyrus) this should be three points for Boro but as mentioned already we thought the same about Reading. Hull haven't won in 9 games so they are due a result sometime from somewhere and as Coventry found out if you are not giving 100% in this League you will get punished. That probably defined the difference with Boro on Tuesday night compared to the rest of the season to date. It looked like there were 11 players with a point to prove and all determined to give 100%, why that hasn't been the case previously is up to Messrs' Warnock, Blackwell and Jepson to ponder.

The influence of Bamba was very evident, his reading and organisation was at a level of Southgate or Woodgate at their peak (as Boro Players note, not Managers). I'm still very unconvinced about Tav, to me he looks more headed in the direction of becoming Boro's very own Terry Malloy with his "Riverside" as oppose to "Waterfront" reminisces of "I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender". The lad has something but it isn't consistent and invariably he frustrates as often as he mesmerises, quite often within the same passage of play. For me this is the season he needs to make that step up or otherwise he becomes another one of those Players that used to have great potential that levelled at a middling Championship Club.

I'm guessing that a few players will do (or at least should do) little to no training between games other than maintaining general fitness. It would be foolish of us to take Hull too lightly so for that reason Warnock should go with his strongest side which is very clearly one that doesn't include fancy dancing, half fit foreigners or so it would appear. The overseas lads did however get an opportunity to see what was expected from them in terms of application and like Tav if they want to be a part of it they have to up their intensity, concentration, application and continuity.

My heart says an away win for Boro but my "Typical Boro" head is telling me another Banana skin is just as likely. I think the social media message to the Club was very clear pre the Blades game but had done an unexpected 180 degree flip come the final whistle. Only a fool would believe that anything other than a win and a convincing one at that will keep Teesside's finest Typer's at bay this weekend. 

 


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Apparently Bamba could hardly walk the next day as he was so stiff - so Warnock is waiting to see if he'll be recovered by tomorrow, along with a couple of others, before he names the unchanged side that he wants to. Also heard Payero has been added to the injured list and now has a knee problem and is unlikely to travel to Hull - must have done it sitting too long on the bench...


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Just had a look into the regulations regarding yellow cards, please see below an extract from the FA regulations.

The current rules this season stipulate that any player accumulating a certain number of yellow cards will face disciplinary action in the form of match bans.

It works on the following principles:

Five yellows accumulated before match week 19 results in a one-match ban.
Ten yellows accumulated by week 37 will result in a two-match ban.
Fifteen yellows by the last day of the playing season prior to the play offs will result in a three-match ban. 20 cautions will result in appearance before a regulatory commission who will decide on the level of punishment. 😎


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It is most likely that both Crooks and Peltier will pick up their 5th yellow soon, looking at the fixtures it could be managed that 1 picks up a yellow against Hull (missing the home game against Peterborough) and the other picking up a yellow against Peterborough (missing the home game against Barnsley). I know there is no easy fixtures but on current form those upcoming matches could have less effect losing each for one match.

Just saying like.

Come on BORO.


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Looking at the stats we have the worst disciplinary record in the championship this season with 28 yellow and two red, I don’t think we are a particularly a dirty team but refs seem to be very quick to dish out cards to our players, yet the likes of Jones can get battered without any action.

Come on BORO.


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Looking at the stats we have the worst disciplinary record in the championship this season with 28 yellow and two red, I don’t think we are a particularly a dirty team but refs seem to be very quick to dish out cards to our players, yet the likes of Jones can get battered without any action.

Come on BORO.

The treatment of Jones by Referees infuriates me. Tackles come in upending him and scything him down and we don't even get a free kick yet he has picked up Yellows for far less in terms of tackle ferocity. 

The lad does immediately jump up and doesn't roll about which is to his credit but seemingly Referees can't differentiate between a sportsman and a cheating, diving, scheming, conniving con artist. Unfortunately we need to introduce theatrics if we are to get "fair play" which is ironic.

It worked for Reading with Crooks seeing Red because of all the protestations. Sadly Jones needs to be instructed to roll about screaming and waving his hand in the air while four or five Red shirts charge over with their handbags at the ready. That puts Officials in an awkward position in terms of doing nothing after the histrionics have died down. Ronaldo has made a career out of winking and it hasn't seemingly done him much harm.

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I’ve always been intrigued why the official name of the city of Hull should be named after a river, so I did some research this morning. Starting with the UK’s third largest river the Trent at 185 miles long which starts in Biddulph in Staffordshire it meanders through Stoke, Rugeley, Burton, Nottingham, with several tributaries and the convergence of one of Yorkshire’s famous rivers the Ouse until the last tributary the Hull works its way into the Humber estuary. But why is the city known officially as Kingston-upon-Hull? Well apparently it dates back to April 1642 when King Charles I attempted to take over the arsenal at Hull, but was turned away from the gates by the Governor Sir John Hotham of the Parliamentary Roundheads and became known as Kings-town, the town that turned away the King. Here endeth the history lesson, but what about the football club?

Hull AFC was founded in June 1904, but had difficulty in gaining membership to the Football League because of the dominance of the two Rugby League clubs in the city, Hull Football Club and Hull Kingston Rovers. Thus Hull Association Football Club (AFC) could only play friendly matches at The Boulevard the home of Hull FC when the Rugby League club granted permission. In 1905 Hull AFC changed their name to Hull City having received city status as far back as 1897 and were admitted to the Second Division after agreement had been with Anlaby Cricket Club, although eventually they found accommodation on a ground quite near to the cricket club. They and Grimsby Town were initially the only clubs to be allowed to play matches on Christmas Day because of the demands of the fishing industry. 

Anlaby Road became Hull City’s permanent home until the Second World War, and despite alternating between the Second Division and the Third Division North they did reach the Semifinal of the FA Cup in 1930 having beaten Plymouth Argyle 4-3 away, Blackpool 3-1 at home, Manchester City 2-1 away, and Newcastle United 1-0 at home after a replay. They then drew the Semifinal against Arsenal 2-2 at Elland Road before losing the replay 0-1 at Villa Park. Anlaby Stadium was badly damaged during the Second World War and Boothferry Park was erected for Hull City in 1946, the first football stadium to be built in post-war Britain and with its own railway station nearby. It provided Hull with its largest attendance of 55,019 for its FA Cup Quarterfinal tie against Manchester United in February 1949.

However despite Chris Chilton being Hull’s top goalscorer with 195 goals in 415 appearances between 1960 and 1971, and Ken Wagstaffe scoring 173 goals in 378 appearances between 1964 and 1976, it wasn’t long before the club was in decline. By 1997 Super League had once again become the dominant sport in the city as Hull City fell into the Fourth Division and almost into the Conference League. David Lloyd the former tennis Davis Cup captain bought the club and it almost fell into liquidation. By the beginning of the 21st century Boothferry Park had become unfit for purpose and the entrepreneur Adam Pearson was one of those instrumental in both Hull FC and Hull City moving into a brand new stadium called the Kingston Communications Stadium (KC Stadium) which was independent of British Telecom having had its own telephone network for as long as I can remember. 

Eventually Adam Pearson decided to sever links with the club deciding that he had taken them as far as he could and sold out to a consortium led by Paul Duffen. However former chairman Pearson returned to the club two years later. In August 2013 Assem Allam an Egyptian owner of Allam Marine purchased the club for a nominal fee of £1 but promised to invest an initial £30M with a promise of a further £10M in the future. However he created a furore by wanting to change the clubs name to Hull City Tigers, however this was eventually overruled by the FA Council in 2014. The current record attendance at the KC Stadium is 25,030 against Liverpool in May 2010.

On the field of play non of Hull City’s grounds have been happy hunting grounds for Boro with only 5 wins and 10 draws in 27 meetings, but despite four successive goalless draws there in the late 1980s into the early 1990s, generally there have been plenty of goals with 35 for Boro and 44 for City, an average of 3 goals per game.

 

 

 

 

 

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Looking at the stats we have the worst disciplinary record in the championship this season with 28 yellow and two red, I don’t think we are a particularly a dirty team but refs seem to be very quick to dish out cards to our players, yet the likes of Jones can get battered without any action.

Come on BORO.

The treatment of Jones by Referees infuriates me. Tackles come in upending him and scything him down and we don't even get a free kick yet he has picked up Yellows for far less in terms of tackle ferocity. 

The lad does immediately jump up and doesn't roll about which is to his credit but seemingly Referees can't differentiate between a sportsman and a cheating, diving, scheming, conniving con artist. Unfortunately we need to introduce theatrics if we are to get "fair play" which is ironic.

It worked for Reading with Crooks seeing Red because of all the protestations. Sadly Jones needs to be instructed to roll about screaming and waving his hand in the air while four or five Red shirts charge over with their handbags at the ready. That puts Officials in an awkward position in terms of doing nothing after the histrionics have died down. Ronaldo has made a career out of winking and it hasn't seemingly done him much harm.

I'll second every word of both of those posts, writ large.

 

It is something that has been around in the game for a very long time.

 

Francis Lee of the Kippax parish I recall also made a career out "simulation" as it is euphemistically referred to these days.

But Ronaldo, don't get me started. It sickens me to hear all the pundits who know so much about football deifying him as one of the all time greats. Talented these people might be, but great certainly not. Bobby Moore. Now there was a true great.

I feel a rant coming on so I will stop now before I get out of control.

 

Last thing I want to see is a talented youngster with masses of potential reconditioned to have to resort to such methods, but I'm afraid that is what is going to happen.....

 

 


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We need to get Jones on the phone to Jack Grealish, who appears to be the game's best at drawing fouls and being awarded free-kicks for it.


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@powmillnaemore Despite his histrionics, I’d find it hard to deny that CR7 is a great player. What he’s achieved during a very long career shows a professionalism way beyond what most players have done. Do I like him? Well I probably wouldn’t want to go for a pint with him. Would I have him in our team? I’m pretty sure I would. 

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@exmil

It seems almost like referees have a grudge against Neil Warnock for some reason...


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Isn’t it time that removing one’s shirt is deemed not to be a yellow card offence? How that equates to the same punishment as a foul seems ridiculous to me. Football is a passionate sport and I can’t see how it irritates the opponents supporters. However one thing that does annoy me though is the irritating habit of sliding along the ground after scoring a goal. It creates unnecessary work for the poor groundsman, and causes a ridge and divots which could be harmful to players having future accidents and injuries. To my mind it’s a form of vandalism. I also hate the calculation of added time. Why can’t the referee ask for the clock to be stopped for the introduction of substitutes and for treatment of injuries and persistent time-wasting as happens in rugby?


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I'd have to admit to being a Ronaldo fan - he's basically just ruthless and determined in everything he does and simply doesn't believe in coming second and is still fit and knocking them in for club and country - what is it now almost 800 career goals! That counts as great in my book.

He got where he is by more more than winking and obsessively trains more than anyone both his body and skill perfection - no doubt he has also trained his simulation too but you can say that about most top players whether it by Sterling, Kane or anyone before them in the modern era - remember Klinsmann or that bloke Maradona?

I particularly enjoyed the press conference recently where he got rid of the planted bottle of coca cola and told people to drink water instead. Still, nobody is perfect and have their faults like many so-called great players - Gazza, Best, Greaves and Moore all were heavy drinkers in their day - with some of those quite unpleasant people when drunk.

btw I don't think Ronaldo would actually drink a pint with anyone - unless it was water of course...


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Who would Diasborians prefer as a character  -  Christiano Ronaldo or Wayne Rooney?

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Who would Diasborians prefer as a character  -  Christiano Ronaldo or Wayne Rooney?

Haha. Good question Ken. It's Hobson for me 😉


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@ken CR7 for me, although both of them may well have questions to answer about some incidents in their private lives. 


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@werdermouth I agree. When I talked about his professionalism I was thinking about all the hours of training and practise he’s put in over the years. There are questions about some events in his private life but, as a footballer, he’s not only got tremendous talent but has worked harder than most too. 

PS Obviously I was thinking of a pint of water. 😉


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PS Obviously I was thinking of a pint of water. 😉

As the advert goes, probably a pint of the best water in world...


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Isn’t it time that removing one’s shirt is deemed not to be a yellow card offence? How that equates to the same punishment as a foul seems ridiculous to me. 

That's a very good point Ken - I've actually forgotten why taking your shirt off to celebrate a goal was deemed a bookable offence - was it because they thought it would incite the crowd? If so I've seen plenty of goal celebrations that are worse including baiting the opposition crowd by cupping the ear when they fall silent. It's about time this ridiculous yellow card offence was scrapped.


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Talking of advertising, I've just read this quite unbelievable sponsorship deal struck by the World Chess Federation (Fide). We may think Fifa is a joke but this is even way out of their league.

Fide have just designated 2022 to be 'The Year of Women in Chess' as they've struggled to attract female players and to promote this they've just struck a partnership deal with a new sponsor. Who are the new sponsors you may wonder? Well they are called 'Motiva' and are actually a breast enlargement company!

You may not be surprised that this has gone down very badly with women chess players, who have derided the deal as "gross" and "misogynistic" as they pointed out that this is a game decided by brains not breasts.

Perhaps those in charge at Fide are in the wrong pawn industry...


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Who would Diasborians prefer as a character  -  Christiano Ronaldo or Wayne Rooney?

Rooney any day. I cannot stand CR at all as a person even he might be good in football. Opposite to the humble one. Up the Boro! 


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