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Thanks, that's very helpful


   
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I’ve been delving into the former Diasboro.worldpress forum and your     
In2views and especially enjoyed those with Doug Weatherall. I remember your writing that he wasn’t too well health-wise and wondered if you had any up-to-date information about him. I realise that interviews have been difficult because of Covid, but I enjoyed his reports and stories about Brian Clough. I know how your interviews were time consuming also but I wonder if it’s feasible to have some of your interviews could be transferred onto the current Diasboro.club website because we have so many new members who are unaware of all your hard work.

 

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Josh Coburn has signed a new contract until 2025 with an option of another year.

Come on BORO.


   
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Apparently Forest are after a permanent transfer for Spence, how much would people accept for him, bearing in mind some Premiership clubs were looking at him too earlier. I personally would not sell him now and hopefully he has a great season at Forest and push up his value and let the bidding begin next summer.

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@exmil I think there appears to be a few problems with Spence around MFC. Under a new Manager he may change but the feeling I get is that the lad has just about burnt his bridges. His worth at the moment is on a high but if he came back and disrupts then it would drop like a brick. Of course under Wilder he may excel, come back into the group and push on but I'm not sure people at the Club believe that.

I think anything around £5m and Forest would feel they have a bargain based on his performances. If someone else comes in for him and starts a bidding war then his value may increase but if a deal is done I suspect it will be littered with add-ons based on promotion and sell on value and like as not "undisclosed". At the moment the question I suppose is how much is he worth to Forest? According to their fans an awful lot!


   
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I see that Patrick Roberts may join Sunderland. This would be a good move for him. I have always been a fan of the player especially when he had a glorious three season spell at Celtic. I also feel that he wasn't given a real chance at Middlesbrough. 


   
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I see that Patrick Roberts may join Sunderland. This would be a good move for him. I have always been a fan of the player especially when he had a glorious three season spell at Celtic. I also feel that he wasn't given a real chance at Middlesbrough. 

I thought the same but then he hasn't done anything anywhere since that Celtic cameo. Playing Warnockball won't have helped but he seems to have struggled with all his loans recently. Shame because he was an exciting Player to watch at Celtic Park a few years back. Dropping down a level to a side who are in the ascendency in the division like Celtic were may allow him more freedom to express and less pressure to fulfill other roles.


   
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It is being reported that Boro are about to sign Arsenal’s Folarin Balogun on loan for the rest of the season but it also stated that Boro will cover his £40,000 a week wages. Deal expected to be completed by the weekend.

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Could be of interest:

https://www.mfc.co.uk/news/five-star-u23s-move-top-of-pl-cup-group

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@exmil. Seems to be an excessive salary to be paying a 20 year old and also given that last season we were looking to offload players who were reputed to be on similar figures. 

I suppose that SG and CW may feel it is worth the gamble if it secures promotion/top six and it is only until June and we are not locked in for a number of seasons. It will be interesting to see if this loan does actually materialise.

EG article now stating that club are hopeful of landing their man. 😎

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@exmil. Seems to be an excessive salary to be paying a 20 year old and also given that last season we were looking to offload players who were reputed to be on similar figures. 

I suppose that SG and CW may feel it is worth the gamble if it secures promotion/top six and it is only until June and we are not locked in for a number of seasons. It will be interesting to see if this loan does actually materialise.

EG article now stating that club are hopeful of landing their man. 😎

Usually there are loan fees involved so it may be that Boro are taking 100% of his salary in lieu of a loan payment. I would guess that a loan for him would probably be £1M a season so pro rata it isn't working out that expensive. If we sell Spence then that is it comfortably covered and also don't forget if Uche goes as well for around £1M to Millwall then it doesn't look so painful to the Accountant or FFP.

Failing that we could always say we are getting a roof for the Riverside to make it an events arena and sell it for £80M to some investment company owned by a friend of a friend. It looks like there is a strong belief in MFC hierarchy that we can do it this season let alone next!


   
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The cost of the Balogun loan up to and including Preston away would be £680,000, obviously playoffs would be more.

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There are lots of talented young players in their late teens and early twenties who show enough potential to be really top players. Unfortunately most fail to reach their full potential and end up playing championship, division 1 or lower and many just drift away. 
Why is this ?  Possibly many can’t dedicate their lives to the day to day training and the high level of fitness which is more important than years ago.

However, I’ve long thought that one of the main reasons is they get too much money too soon. Being paid £30K - £40 K a week ( £1.5m - £2.0 m a year) for their  potential,  makes many of them to think that they’ve ‘ cracked it’ and so they’re very financially comfortable earning a salary that the rest of the population will never achieve.
So why devote your life to football when earning so much now as an ‘apprentice ‘ footballer ?

Which brings me to the young 20 year old from Arsenal, reputedly being paid , as opposed to earning,  £40K per week. Surely this is ridiculous money for a young player who , as yet, has potential and nothing more at this stage of his career.

However, from Boro’s point of view , I hope they can pull off this loan deal and if so, he realises some of his potential at Boro.

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It's purely the law of averages. Consider that we currently have 31 players in the U23s (according to the club website) and 24 in the U18s. There is probably room for 1-2 each year to join the first team and they are in competition with every other footballer who might play anywhere in the world that we can afford to buy. Plus every single one of them has to deal with managers wanting experience when you can't get experience without playing. Finally you have just a couple of years to get picked up before you become too old.

Some players will fail to achieve their potential through lack of application, others will have an injury at just the wrong time, most will simply not have the lucky break they need. If Ameobi hadn't have been injured, Jones right now would probably be on loan somewhere and maybe he would be playing in a team that didn't suit him or picked up an injury from a bad tackle. 

 

 

 

 


   
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@philip-of-huddersfield 

Excelent posts, gentlemen. 

Fully agree. Up the Boro!


   
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@exmil. Your calculation I presume is based on salary alone and does not include loan fee and agents fees which some outlets are reporting. 

It still seems to me to be a lot of money for a player untried at this level but we will see if it proves to be a good return or not on investment in due course. 😎


   
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@k-p-in-spain    I know it is easy to criticise, but apart from Sporar, Crooks, Bamba and Jones by default and possibly Lumley, it cannot be said that Recruitment Team of late, has brought in some real finds.

We will have paid reasonable loan fees I am sure for the likes of Sporar, Siliki and Hernández along with their wages? Now we appear to be taking a gamble on two relatively untried players at our level. That is OK to a degree, may be one of them. But two at their wages and possible loan fees does not make football or economic sense to me.


   
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I might be imagining it but didn't we pay something like £2M as a loan fee for Hugill?

If so the deal for Balogun looks almost a bargain on the basis of he seems to stay on his feet for most of the clips I've seen of the lad instead of sat on his backside.


   
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@exmil:

 

Some common sense being displayed by those important in the running of football.  The date should be diarised for future reference.

However it is pleasing to note that the FA pressed for the player to receive a match suspension for his offence - it would have been amazing to see common sense being displayed by that group of people, so our faith in the continuation of the eternal verities needs not be undermined.  (I am, of course, being sarcastic).

Something regrettable written when the lad was a youngster of 14 years.  If he sent the message in 2022, as a mature man and when these issues have been aired over recent years, that would be a different matter. Too ridiculous for words.

How does one get on the gravy train - organising "mea culpa" courses for those who are found now to have offended in the distant past?  There is probably quite a lot of money to made in it.


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I have always thought that if you borrow a fine young player, he shoots the lights out and you are desperate to sign him. Then his owners (that would be us) are in complete control.


   
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@exmil   Just read the article in the Gazette.

 It finally finishes with,        Bola is currently out injured and not expected to return until early March. That could be around 11 / 12 matches. 

I hope Taylor and Peltier stay fit? Or the Tav debate once more.


   
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I noticed the Arsenal v Liverpool semi final first leg has been granted a postponement by the EFL due to COVID in the Liverpool camp, I wonder if they first told Liverpool to recall their players out on loan first, to enable the match to be played 🤔.

Come on BORO.


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@k-p-in-spain    I know it is easy to criticise, but apart from Sporar, Crooks, Bamba and Jones by default and possibly Lumley, it cannot be said that Recruitment Team of late, has brought in some real finds.

We will have paid reasonable loan fees I am sure for the likes of Sporar, Siliki and Hernández along with their wages? Now we appear to be taking a gamble on two relatively untried players at our level. That is OK to a degree, may be one of them. But two at their wages and possible loan fees does not make football or economic sense to me.

@pedro

I think that you are being a bit harsh. The recruitment team also brought in Bola and Dijksteel who have turned out really well. They identified Morsy who was a real worker and a player who many were surprised to see leave the club. Hall has been solid as has Peltier and Browne could still be a success whilst Payero and Saliki remain complete unknowns. 

Moving to this window, Connolly and Balogun look a bit risky but they clearly have talent and the one thing that appears clear to me is that they are as much Chris Wilder's picks as anything else. He has been after Balogun for nearly two years and he is clearly backing his ability to turn round Connolly. I'm not saying that the recruitment team are perfect but for me their hit rate is pretty good and there will always be some who don't work out as hoped.

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I am very delighted that Isaiah Jones has been awarded a player of the month award for December. That must do a world of good to a young man who is just staring his professional career.

He was playing in the 8th tier in football just two years ago I think. So well done to him and the Boro recruitment team for spotting his talent.

He must have been thinking a few times if he is good enough for the Championship level and now he has really proved that to himself and the fans.

Having watched Adama Traore for Wolves on TV recently, I must say that the end product is much better with Jones. He can defend better and especially his desision making is miles better in the opposition box. Jones' passing is clever and he sees other players' runs and positioning so much better than Adama does. And he is still a few years younger!

I was a bit surprised that Mogga did not get the manager of the month award. His team has won every match in December and they were temporarely in the second place in the League.

But of course I am happy that Chris Wilder has won the gong. How he has changed the way we play and the results are absolutely brilliant. So he has deserved the award, too.

Let's hope the form does not fall as the Chrismas decorations are taken down now. It is the time to show what we are made of under Chris Wilder next.

Up the Boro! 

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Well done Boro

The dreaded awards in December followed hopefully by the best run-in we could hope to remember?

 

Come on Boro, the Untypical Universe is aligning itself to a highly anticipated albeit hitherto improbable event in the summer. 

A good time for a meet up perhaps?

 

 

 

 


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FA Cup third-round predictions by Lawro:

Mansfield v M'boro (gap 50) 1-1 P

Hartlepool v Blackpool (gap 51) 1-2

P = Middlesbrough to win on penalties after extra time

Gap = the difference in the league position of the two clubs

"Mansfield have won seven of their past eight games in League Two and they should give in-form Middlesbrough a good game.

"The same goes for Hartlepool against a Blackpool side who knocked out Premier League West Brom as a League One club last season, but are trying to avoid being on the wrong end of a shock this time."

I will say we will win 0-2 with Sporar and Connolly scoring.

Up the Boro!

 

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@exmil:

 

Some common sense being displayed by those important in the running of football.  The date should be diarised for future reference.

However it is pleasing to note that the FA pressed for the player to receive a match suspension for his offence - it would have been amazing to see common sense being displayed by that group of people, so our faith in the continuation of the eternal verities needs not be undermined.  (I am, of course, being sarcastic).

Something regrettable written when the lad was a youngster of 14 years.  If he sent the message in 2022, as a mature man and when these issues have been aired over recent years, that would be a different matter. Too ridiculous for words.

How does one get on the gravy train - organising "mea culpa" courses for those who are found now to have offended in the distant past?  There is probably quite a lot of money to made in it.

These would be the same people who sanctioned the purchase of a Football Club by those who stone, hurl off roofs, behead etc. gay men as being right and proper. 

The hypocrisy of them knows no bounds, worrying about a 14 year olds adolescent naive view of the world ten years ago while ignoring a brutal regime that doesn't restrict it's views on sexuality to a mere few words.

I'd be tempted to bring a counter charge against the FA myself if I was Bola except it would probably end his career as the Suits and the Politicians closed ranks. My abject disgust for them as incompetent (there are a lot of other damning words I would like to use) grows daily.


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Boro sign Caolan Boyd-Munce from Birmingham, 21 yr old left foot central midfielder, Chris Wilder says they have been tracking for quite a while and have been regularly watching play for Birmingham U23’s. One for the future me thinks.

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So ITV decide on their main channel to show the Swindon v Man City game tonight from 7.30 to 10.20. Who the hell is interested in that. Apart from the fans of both teams that is. Talk about overkill. Not everyone likes football. Why don't they put it on their other ITV channels. 


   
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