@powmillnaemore - I looked at the Telegraph and the Times in the shop this morning and decided to buy the Times today, so I won't get to read the original article, though it was sort-of summarised on TeessideLive and that will have to do!

Posted by: @powmillnaemore

@k-p-in-spain The Telegraph is behind a pay wall KP 🙁

Thank goodness. 😉

@martin-bellamy.  Sorry to everyone about that, I picked up the article on my iPad this morning and it allowed me to read it, hence I posted the link which worked when I posted it, but as you say is now behind the pay wall.

The EG have now picked up on it and produced their own version of CW’s interview. 😎

@original-fat-bob 

Yes, Bob, I saw that and, as I suggested, it's clear that the impetus for Watmore's departure did not come from Carrick:

"I was sad to see Dunc go. It's not easy when you see a good one go. And a good man for what he brought to the group and the squad, and how he trained and his attitude around the place. He was first class."

Deleriad's position is a logical one and quite sustainable given the premise on which it is based. If you estimate Watmore as no more than "a head down and charge type" then of course his departure is of little consequence and well justified.

My own view is that Watmore has been our most skilful, consistent, dynamic and game-changing striker since we were fortunate enough to sign him. But he been much more than that: the kind of dedicated team player described by Carrick who is an example to all around him.  An exceptional character- like George Friend or Grant Leadbitter- who turns up every ten years or so and whom the club should  try to hang on to even post- retirement.

I don't see how the description of Watmore's departure on the club website could be described as anything other than curt.

I ask all readers of this post to imagine how they might feel if the organisation to which they have given their loyalty, hard work and dedication  over a period of years were to reward them with "The teacher/ administrator/tea lady departs with the best wishes of all at the council". The fact that this is more fulsome than the tributes generally accorded to most players who leave is true enough, but that is an indictment of the club rather than something for which it can claim any credit.

Like Dormo I generally subscribe to a cock-up rather than conspiratorial view of the world. But on this occasion the club's lack of appreciation of a key senior pro is consistent with what looks like a shabby piece of backstage manoeuvring to get rid of him.

Here's a copy and paste of the interview

Chris Wilder interview: 'I'm proud of what I've done – but I'm a much better manager now'​

Former Sheffield United boss is the only Englishman to be named Manager of the Year in the past five years

ByMatt Law, FOOTBALL NEWS CORRESPONDENT3 February 2023 • 7:44am

Chris Wilder believes he is a better leader now than when he won the Manager of the Year award in 2019 CREDIT: Geoff Pugh

Chris Wilder was already “four or five” drinks in when the warning arrived from League Managers’ Association chairman Howard Wilkinson. It was too late.
On a shortlist for the Manager of the Year award that included Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp and Mauricio Pochettino, Wilder had assumed he was safe to enjoy himself. “I always remember getting a phone call from Howard Wilkinson on the train down to the LMA awards and he said ‘don’t have too much to drink’. The only problem was that it was too late! I think we were four or five in and we didn’t stop, so it was a bit of a blur,” said Wilder.
That was four years ago after Wilder had guided Sheffield United to promotion to the Premier League. Over the last 10 years, the only English winners have been the 55-year-old and Eddie Howe, and over the past five years only three men have been named Manager of the Year – Klopp twice, Guardiola twice and Wilder.
“I’m very proud of that achievement. You look at the names who have won it and it’s amazing,” said Wilder. “In a weird way, the biggest achievement was actually the following year when we finished ninth in the Premier League.”

Wilder, pictured with Gareth Southgate (left) and Sir Alex Ferguson (right) with his 2019 award, says the night was a ‘bit of a blur’ CREDIT: Reuters/John Sibley
While Guardiola and Klopp have continued to dominate English football, and Howe has managed to reinvigorate his career at Newcastle United, Wilder has been out of work for four months after being sacked by Championship club Middlesbrough.
He is aware that 11 League games at the start of this season with Boro will currently be more relevant to some than the previous 900-plus of his managerial career – which included three titles, five promotions, eight trophies and ninth place in the Premier League – at Alfreton Town, Halifax Town, Oxford United, Northampton Town and his boyhood club Sheffield United.
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“I’m a much better manager now than the one who won the LMA,” said Wilder. “Miles better, there’s no way I can’t be. I’ve got people like Guardiola, Jose Mourinho and Gareth Southgate as references on my CV. I’ve built and forged relationships with some top operators, who I like to think recognise the work I’ve done.
“At the moment, I know some people will want to judge me on the last 11 [League] games that I managed and they will just say ‘well he lost five, drew four and only won two’ without looking into it at all because it bores them.
“But I also know that after a while other people will start to look at my body of work again and Eddie Howe, whose last job before Newcastle ended with a relegation, is probably the best example of that now.”
Wilder believes that a narrative has been built of him being a difficult character, who is better managing his players and staff than the relationships with his employers.
“We do all get pigeonholed and mine is probably as a northerner in a tracksuit who’s aggressive,” said Wilder, “By the way, Mikel Arteta is quite aggressive, Jürgen Klopp and Thomas Tuchel both wear tracksuits and they’re quite aggressive. They don’t take any prisoners.”
Wilder left the tracksuit at home for our two-hour meeting in central London, preferring a black roll neck sweater, designer jeans and black boots, and spent half-an-hour being told where to stand and look for photographs. On his combative image, Wilder continued: “The second season in the Premier League with Sheffield United became difficult and, with it being my club, I probably took on too much. At Middlesbrough, the summer transfer window didn’t go the way we wanted it to, but I never had an issue with Steve Gibson and I’d like to think if people did their homework on me then they would find out what I’m really like.
“It’s the first time in 20 years I’ve had my contract terminated. I think I’d have been sacked a few more times if I was that difficult to work with! I want things done right and I want to win, that’s all.”

Wilder ruffled a few feathers while managing Sheffield United CREDIT: Reuters/Nick Potts
In Wilder’s opinion, those at the top of English football for the past decade – Guardiola, Klopp, Antonio Conte, Tuchel and now Arteta – have all been managers of their football clubs, despite the trend for chairmen and chief executives to try to seek out head coaches.
Wilder sees himself as a manager, but that is not to say he cannot coach or innovate – best proven by his overlapping centre-backs at Sheffield United, who had opponents scratching their heads.
“It wasn’t a chequebook era at Sheffield United,” said Wilder. “It was about improving players. We took players who weren’t getting a game and developed them, and played a system as well.
“We started off with 4-4-2, but we quickly realised that we needed to go to three at the back. I’ve always played different types of football and different formations at the clubs I’ve been at. Primarily to win.
“We wanted to break teams down and overload teams, whether it was wide or whether it was central. The two wide centre backs were comfortable on the ball and wanted to get forwards, so we came up with something that allowed them to and I like to think it was really effective.”
Asked if he thinks people see him as a tactician, Wilder replied: “No.” And is that fair? “No, it’s not. You can’t go to Manchester United [with Middlesbrough] and get a result. You can’t beat Tottenham and not be tactically astute. You can’t go into the Premier League [with Sheffield United] without knowing what to do, what to change and how to change it.”
Wilder was accused of “dinosaur management” by one radio host for saying goalkeeper Dean Henderson, who spent two seasons on loan at Sheffield United, had to do “a bit better” after gifting Liverpool a winning goal.
Henderson later called on the club to build a statue of Wilder, which supports the former right-back’s claim that he knew exactly what he was doing.
“He let one through his legs, live on Sky, and he wanted to play for Manchester United and he wanted to play for England,” said Wilder. “Of course, I wouldn’t have done that to all the lads, but I knew the boy.
“Is it any different to what Guardiola did to Kalvin Phillips about his fitness the other week? Of course it isn’t, but he knows the boy. You know the players who can take it.”

'It's quite lazy to say that I took my eye off the ball'​

Wilder was open enough to admit that he should have handled speculation linking him with the Burnley job while he was in charge of Middlesbrough better, but described suggestions he took his eye off the ball as “bull----”.
“Looking back, I should have shut it down, I accept that,” said Wilder.
“But I think it’s quite lazy to say that I took my eye off the ball or anything like that. It’s bull----. Ask those players if I took my foot off the gas in pre-season or in that changing room. We had a difficult summer window, but in my opinion the team was playing OK and everything was telling me results would turn.
“Michael Carrick will get recognition for the job he is doing now and quite rightly so. But I think we left the team in a good place for him. We had a brilliant Cup run last season, beating Man United and Tottenham and, a bit like Michael got 25 points in his first 12 games, we took 24 points from our first 12 games.”
Having insisted on making the journey down to London to see me, rather than the other way round, Wilder sat with a notebook of pre-prepared facts and figures he did not want to forget.
One of those was that his was the eighth Championship sacking after just 11 League games. But Wilder is optimistic there will be years and seasons in front of him in management that rival or better than one that earned him his LMA award.
“Relatively speaking, I’m delighted with the career I’ve had so far,” he said. “But my hunger is as big as it’s ever been. I remember someone once saying to me ‘just bank it’ about being sacked. But, no, I want to win and once you’ve had a taste of the Premier League, you want it badly – even if it means some hard work to get back there.”

@deleriad 

Thanks for taking the trouble to reproduce this. Very interesting

@lenmasterman 

well said Len

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@lenmasterman.  Thanks Len for a post which for me sums up everything I felt about Dunc and the manner of his departure.  It so succinctly says more than I could have said on the subject.

My take on the situation is that whilst he was not shown the door, it appears that there was not a great appetite from the hierarchy to keep him and with Duncan being offered a chance of a relatively long term contract he decided to move on.

I am not convinced that bringing in Ramsey, who is not a like for like replacement, on loan is the right decision but only time will tell.  

One can only hope that in the interest of the club and longer term prosperity that the likes of Friend and Watmore are recruited to serve along side Leadbitter, all of whom have displayed the upmost loyalty, skill and professionalism one could wish for.

Those three players, since the days of Jack’s team, epitomises for me what is MFC; without doubt they are one of our own.  😎

Great interview - I always liked Wilder, maybe I could relate to him more because of my age.

Posted by: @martin-bellamy

Posted by: @powmillnaemore

@k-p-in-spain The Telegraph is behind a pay wall KP 🙁

Thank goodness. 😉

I didn't say that myself for fear of being misunderstood. At least I don't have to pay to read the Grauniad on line, but i do choose to do so.

@deleriad 

Dittto Len. Thank you very much for copying that. I am not sure he comes across in that piece as I think he might think himself. He certainly is reluctant to recognise how badly he appeared to have lost the trust of his players during and after Burnleygate and he makes no comment on how or why he couldn't spot the talent that was under his nose. 

SG made the right call and the club hasn't looked back.

@deleriad and all. Although it is greatly appreciated for the effort to share that CW piece, we should be perhaps cautious of wholesale cutting and pasting articles published elsewhere. It might be considered to infringe copywrite and we should never forget it is Werder's name on the Diasboro Wordpress account, not ours.

@k-p-in-spain  and @lenmasterman.

I echo KP's words both in respect of your posts about DW Len and also in respect of your thoughts on Watmore, Friend and Leadbitter KP.

Prediction for today's game is a simple matter.

If we reproduce last week-end's form we will win at a canter .

If we play as we did two week-end's ago we could well lose.

Seasoned typical Boro supporters know these ropes all too well.

But what was particularly impressive about last week's display was that in the second half we continued to play our football rather than defending our lead and inviting our opponents on as we would have done under our previous four managers.

On this basis I'm going for a 5-0 win.

I'm not a gambling man, but I'm just going to check the bookies' odds. 

Posted by: @powmillnaemore

@jarkko thanks for posting the link to the Echo's interview with DW. It was. As you rightly said, a good read.

A genuine individual for whom I hope he is successful at Millwall.

He started on the bench, but played the whole of the second half in Millwall's 1-1 draw with the Black Cats.

Boro has a good prospect in young Danny Dodds - a right back in the making.

He played the first half of the season on loan to Darlington.  Having played superbly in there, we was loaned out again in January. This time to Hartlepool United in the fourth tier.

You can read more about him after Dodds scored the winner for the Pools on Saturday. The Hartlepool Mail called him Super Danny Dodds:

https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-0-1-hartlepool-united-super-danny-dodds-a-key-impact-and-a-fresh-start-takeaways-from-pools-win-4014977

Looking forward to seeing Dobbs at Boro next season. UBT! 

Posted by: @jarkko

Boro has a good prospect in young Danny Dodds - a right back in the making.

He played the first half of the season on loan to Darlington.  Having played superbly in there, we was loaned out again in January. This time to Hartlepool United in the fourth tier.

You can read more about him after Dodds scored the winner for the Pools on Saturday. The Hartlepool Mail called him Super Danny Dodds:

https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-0-1-hartlepool-united-super-danny-dodds-a-key-impact-and-a-fresh-start-takeaways-from-pools-win-4014977

Looking forward to seeing Dobbs at Boro next season. UBT! 

 

 

@jarkko

I have a sneaking feeling that Doods was actually let go by the Boro and he signed for Hartlepool on a permanent deal. He's not showing up on any of the Boro team lists on the website.

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@selwynoz Oops, I must have missed that, then. I presumed that he was also on loan at the Pools.

Looks like a permanent accoding to Transfermarkt but there are some question mark in his database there, too.

Could some one confirm this, please? UTB! 

@jarkko 

https://www.mfc.co.uk/news/2023/january/11/daniel-dodds-joins-hartlepool-united/

Come on BORO.

Wait if City get expelled for financial irregularities surely the top 3 championship teams get promoted with playoffs 4th-7th?

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@original-fat-bob 

don't hold your breath 🙂

Posted by: @selwynoz

@original-fat-bob 

don't hold your breath 🙂

If the English had the same balls as the Scottish, Citeh should be sent to the 4th Division (sorry, I mean League Two) a little like Rangers were sent to the bottom of the pule in Scotland....

But I also wouldn't hold any breath

Posted by: @selwynoz

@original-fat-bob 

don't hold your breath 🙂

If the English had the same balls as the Scottish, Citeh should be sent to the 4th Division (sorry, I mean League Two) a little like Rangers were sent to the bottom of the pile in Scotland....

But I also wouldn't hold any breath

I fully expect the Man. City wrong doings to be a long drawn out saga involving top lawyers.  I don’t think for a minute that City will be relegated.

No point in fining them when they have pots and pots of money.

I am expecting a points deduction suspended for x period of time.

You heard it here first on Diasboro !!

Philip of Huddersfield