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Pedro de Espana
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Same XI but no sign of the same intensity as the first quarter of the game hasn't seen Boro get out of first gear.


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Boro probably have had the better chances, but for me are struggling in midfield, Bola is not playing with the same intensity as the last match


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Nothing much to write home about in the first half, much of the incident revolved around Tav with his early yellow card leaving him tentative when defending but he delivered a couple of good balls to play Sporar in and almost scored himself from a Bola pass. Though not a thrilling high-tempo game from either side as it lacks any real intensity and could be won by a single goal if we actually get one at all. Looks like a team not fully recovered from their midweek exertions and that's before some start to tire from today's efforts!


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Another game that’s there to be won if we can step it up a fraction. There’s been a lot of these this season and we haven’t managed to take the opportunity.


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You would think this is a game for Jones to run at Hull - I expect Watmore is not good for another 90 minutes and I hope Jones gets 25-30 minutes to have an impact and not just the last 10.


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Pedro de Espana
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Fair assessment Werder. Tav is the only one looking likely to creat anything. For those undecided about Crooks, then he is not doing himself any good this afternoon and certainly needs to get more involved the second half.

As Werder said, not sure when our midweek exertions will kick in. Can Bamba and Peltier really play another 95 minutes.


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Powmill-Naemore
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Bl**dy H3ll

What is it with this team?


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What absolute garbage, I know we have no right to win but that is crap 


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Powmill-Naemore
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I don't believe it.... 2-0 now

No  wait a minute.... Sadly I  do believe it


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Oh dear - well that is that then - two sucker punches after three typical Boro missed chances, a disallowed goal from a free kick and another defensive injury. Not a game Boro should have lost but unfortunately it's another missed opportunity and not much sense that Warnock was going to make any telling substitutions - which incidentally saw a rise in energy levels on the pitch but too little too late. Hull had made 5 changes and were essentially the bottom team but in the end Boro not good enough to beat them. Sums up the season really!


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Oh dear - well that is that then - two sucker punches after three typical Boro missed chances, a disallowed goal from a free kick and another defensive injury. Not a game Boro should have lost but unfortunately it's another missed opportunity and not much sense that Warnock was going to make any telling substitutions - which incidentally saw a rise in energy levels on the pitch but too little too late. Hull had made 5 changes and were essentially the bottom team but in the end Boro not good enough to beat them. Sums up the season really!

Not to mention three yellow cards:  Tav in the seventh minute, Peltier in the 58th & Paddy in the 76th! The knives will be out after that poor excuse for a performance & deservedly...  😡 


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Vic's verdict:

FT: 0-2. Familar. Frustrating. Failed to set shape & tempo early on. Failed to bully a struggling side. Failed to take chances. You can point to 'bad luck' or 'poor ref' if you want, but Boro need to be far better. It will be a long fortnight. 


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Our worst fears were realised or our expectations proved correct!

you can blame poor decisions, bad luck, the width of a post but the bottom line comes down to team selection, tactics and substitutions all the remit of the manager.

I thought T Rex  was going to have a Fit in the second half he was so red.

I turned off after the first goal started on the second glass of red wine 🍷 and shared tortilla, tapas, cheese and chorizo whilst watching Breakfast at Tiffany’s with Mrs OFB. We know how to turn a disappointment into a celebration after watching a Boro team lose (again!)

 

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K P in Spain
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@original-fat-bob.  I like the sound of all of that and certainly a more enjoyable afternoon than watching the Boro.

Whilst NW has to share some of the responsibility for this defeat the players also have to take a fair share of the blame for what went wrong as the same old failings were exposed.  

A long and dreary season in prospect I fear. 😡😎


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I agree with all the OFB has said.  For me the really sad thing about today’s result is that I bet most of us were expecting it and what does that say about our confidence in the team and the management?  A team that had any realistic pretensions to be around the top end of the table come the end of the season would have beaten Hull easily.  We couldn’t.  

Today’s performance was in line with many this season and confirms that what happened on Tuesday is likely to be the exception rather than the rule over the rest of the season. Surely the management has to change and the Chairman must get someone in who can drag the team out of their lethargy and motivate them to become a force in the division instead of a soft touch.  The sooner the better.


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At this point you have to say that the season is over. To get into the playoffs will require a run of form and results that Warnock has never looked like managing since he has been here. You could argue that today we were exceptionally unlucky but when a team can't play consistently you can't cope with bad luck. A better, consistent team would have been 2-0 up when they conceded a freak own-goal and managed to win. 

I'll say it's clear that selling Morsy and loaning Spence was not Warnock's choice but it's unlikely either of them would have made a difference. The players are still playing for Warnock but you don't sense they have any great conviction about what they're doing.

I think it's possible that Warnock will walk; his history is that he quits when he thinks he can't achieve what he wants. Again, to be fair to Warnock, he kept us up when that was in doubt and he steered us through a year of playing in empty stadiums with the failed remnants of the Monk era. Where he has failed is taking the team, which has been well backed by Gibson, forwards. 

Now he's a dead man walking. Everyone knows this is his last season, there's no sign of the play-offs and very little credit left in the bank. If he stays, it won't get better. Gibson might try and strike a deal to stay until Christmas but I think this is the moment when you have to prevent what is a failing relationship turning into a toxic one. 


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Cack.

UTB,

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Malcolm
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Awful Bloody Awful!

I think it is time to drop Tavernier. If he played like he talks he would be great.

Oh by the way Djed Spence scored for Forest and had a player rating of 8.40!

 


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Well the first half was a thoroughly depressing turgid affair from a Boro perspective but it was probably what I had expected from Warnock who is rapidly plummeting to Pulis levels of disenchantment with Football let alone Boro for me.

Tav once again illustrated my frustrations with him, clever, tricky then irresponsible, wasteful and lacking an end product. The lad's career is heading nowhere unless he can get his head into gear and remain focussed. He seemingly has the ability but as yet not the concentration levels or intelligence to become a great Player. It's a shame but he continues to repeat the same failings and a few seconds here and there of brilliance does not negate his wastefulness. That said Tav is not the problem as to why this team regularly exhibits sub par performances, just merely symptomatic, perhaps in much the same way that Djed Spence is now pulling up "Trees" down at Forest including a great goal today.

Something is very badly wrong and while it is easy to blame yet another dreadful Officiating performance todays abhorrent display is just another in a long line of them over the previous ten months. This wasn't a mere blip or a one off, tedious and boring to witness and now ineffective in its execution Warnock's hoof it and hope football must surely be past it's sell by date. 

We missed some terrific chances today but we don't create enough of them and so when we do miss them it punishes us badly. The reason for the lack of creativity is down to the individual on the touchline whose histrionics has seemingly created a twelfth man for whomever of our opponents we are facing. It's bad enough facing a twelfth man but much worse when it's the one with the whistle!

It has now become predictably boring and repetitive and that's not just the football on the pitch. Players are seemingly being routinely scapegoated and there at least from the outside looking in appears to be divisions along face fitting lines which only ends in disaster for any business. 


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Not sure where the problems lie but Warnock picked the same team and shape to do two different things - a solid high-energy closing down 35% possession against Sheff Utd and try to catch them on the counter then the same team supposed to take the game to Hull who were struggling with no wins since the opening day. Needless to say most were below par and lacking the same energy levels as midweek.

Having said that, the Boro bench was very thin today with only really Ikpeazu, who hadn't had much pitch time of late and Jones who was into his fourth game being 'rested' and no longer full of confidence. Also we had Siliki who his manger declared wasn't really fit and after that it was academy prospect Kokolo and the former non-league prospect Olusanya.

So the problems derive from the summer recruitment and also Hall missing from the squad, with now Fry injured and Peltier picked up his 5th yellow and a suspension.

How much of all that can laid at Warnock's door is uncertain but let's just say this season has been a collective failure from top to bottom with some sent away now looking like they are being missed.

It's basically too many problems to fix in order to consider mounting a challenge at the top end of the table - it will most likely be a season of drift unless Boro's luck changes soon. 

Boro had enough decent chances to win the game but we're still reliant on scoring great goals rather than those tap-ins fashioned by good team play. The only thing Crooks did was that worldy pass to Sporar who was so shocked in put it wide. I'm sure there is a half-decent team somewhere among the chaos but will we see it emerge or will it remain just a theoretical possibility.

Warnock didn't seem interested in making a tactical change until it was forced upon him as he watched like us all in frustration and hope that it would come good in the end. Sadly it didn't and now we all have two weeks to wonder what should be done next and whether the injury list will make us second-favourites to win any game.

There doesn't seem any obvious solution as even changing manager will start a whole new process of discovery for whoever arrives - plus who knows who that person would be that can reassemble a team from the odds and ends left to choose from.


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@deleriad and Werdermouth Excellent summaries of a sorry situation.  😎

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Apparently Boro fans trashed a train before the game and there were scuffles amongst Boro fans after the match. All in all not a great day out for the travelling army.


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‘Isiah made a mistake, but then again, he’s only a young lad. You can’t blame Isiah.’ In one fell swoop Warnock blames Isiah (again) in the same sentence in which he says he’s not to blame. That’s three times in recent games this so-called brilliant man-manager has blamed Isiah for a relatively minor error, having already dropped him from the side, despite Jones having been our best player in several games. The poor lad’s confidence must be rock bottom. Words fail me. 

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As much I as disliked NW’s style of football, I always said, if you want promotion employee Warnock. 

However  that was some years ago, and although he saved us from the catastrophe of Mr Gibson’s Woodgate appointment, he has failed miserably since the end of that first season.

His constant vitriol  against the officials, sometimes justified, but mostly not,  has not won him any friends and indeed has probably cost the team many fine line decisions and ultimately points.

He appears to have not moved on with the times, and is stuck in the past. Yes he has some good attributes, employing Bamba was very creditable for many reasons.

However,  as is thus, he has reached the end of the road. His time is up and the sooner he is gone, possibly, just possibly we can move on.

Of course that as always is down to the Owner and given his recent selection of replacements, we could end up in a worse position.

What we are seeing before our very eyes is the slow and painful demise of a wonderful football club. 


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Where do you go from here?  
Only 2 wins in the last 8 games with the performances, apart from the Sheffield game, warranting 4, possibly 5 out of 10. And a quarter of the season has now gone.

Does anyone really believe performances and wins are about to improve ?Does anyone think a top 6 or even a top half position in the League is achievable with NW and his staff?     Surely the answer is - No

Reluctantly, I’ve come to the conclusion that NW is well past his sell by date.

Surely in a poor match , which was there for the taking, most managers would have made offensive changes midway through the second half to try to win the game.

But what does NW do ? - not for the first time, eg he brings on Jones with 6 minutes remaining. 
It is clear that NW has a life long passion for the game, enjoys being a manager but is clinging on to what he enjoys .

I think he should quietly ‘call it a day’ to allow someone else a chance .

Philip of Huddersfield 


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Once again we can’t score goals, only 5 clubs have scored fewer than Boro. An average of one goal per match and a projection of 50 points for the season suggests a fight against relegation.

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