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Plato
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@peasepudinperth 

Your comments are correct, but it is no use blaming our manager, he cannot help being incompetent. Many fans on this blog long ago recognised the bleedin obvious (it wasn't difficult). If he was going to pack his defence, then Jones should have had a field day as a winger playing on the halfway line. Can dribble, can run, can beat a man or two. Hmm!     


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Pedro de Espana
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As most on here agree, changing the Manager is a drastic call and just continues the ongoing mistakes since Karanka.

However, just where is our next win coming from? Needed if only to avoid getting entrenched in the relegation places.

The incoming players have generally been poor and not an upgrade on what we had. Oh for Tav, his energy, his passion and commitment, something we are missing in bucket loads. And we asked for more from him!!!

 Next match is Birmingham I think, with Jones serving a one match ban. 

What will Mr Gibson be thinking of tonight. Penny for HIS thoughts. 


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@pedro 

Just watched Wilder's post-match comments video and for some reason I kept thinking of David Brent - I guess another bad day at the office...

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Malcolm
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You don’t always know everything that goes off at a football club. I don’t mean that controversially " quote from Wilder mmmm


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Allan in Bahrain
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Oh dear , Oh dear, Oh dear.

That was awful until the subs were made, and even then we just looked a one-trick pony that had been rumbled.

It was so bad I was able to do my ironing for the week while it was on the telly.

In a way, I am glad I didn't have to listen to Radio Tees commentary as I suspect it would have been too depressing.

 


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@werdermouth.  I think CW misspoke during the interview when he said “it was a typical Championship game”, what he should have said was it was a typical Boro performance.  

Poor selection from the outset, poor performance against a poor side and the inevitable outcome.

What is happening with our club, we have gone through 5 managers who have initially shown that they can galvanise the side only for it to all peter out.  Yesterday was as bad as any game since CW arrived and akin to many under the previous managers.

I have arrived at a situation again, similar to peaspudinperth, where I no longer raise the roof and disturb the neighbours if and when we score or moan, shout and complain when conceding, I merely accept it and expect it.

It was bad enough watching this side when they were playing decent football and not winning, it has now become dire.  

Is CW the manager we all thought he was or did he just have a few purple seasons with a couple of other clubs?

I can’t think of anyone currently available who is better and able to replace him and nor am I suggesting we should at this point but can he get us out of this mess and just as importantly how has it all come about? 😎


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K P in Spain
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“The thing is, they are wingers. Let’s not forget about that. They’re really, unbelievably forward-thinking players and our away record is not that good. So I thought if we could get ahead in the game and then they’re coming on, or if we had to chase it which we were, we had two players there that can help us out.”

The above is taken from the EG and is CW discussing his thoughts on leaving out Giles and Jones.

My question to him would be why, if you consider them both to be wingers, are you not playing them as such and adjusting the defence and midfield accordingly?  

This to me is another case of square pegs in round holes and  not utilising players to their strengths.  It’s a case of trying to fit players into a system rather than the other way round. 😎


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Too fed up, despondent, lost interest to reply yesterday, but for what it's work, I think we are a starting to look like a relegation team a manager who publicly calls out players and seems to not shoulder responsibility, we can't score goal, we give away bad goals and there is a total lack of creativity in the team. If it looks like and smells like a relegation team then it probably is.

There is a horrible sense of ground hog day a out all this, it seems to be a common theme ever since pullis lost in play offs, lack of goals and creativity it feels like the bird in carry on up the jungle that went around in circles until it disappeared up its own rear.

How many times have we there is something wrong in the club, people are saying g Gibson needs to go again, but who will buy the club, who knows I wouldn't even if I could afford it.

Also the goal was a simple punt over top and two boro defenders left floundering

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Malcolm
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Here is a player that Boro should be looking at before the big boys come in...

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ryan-porteous-new-hibs-contract-28132438

 

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@k-p-in-spain 

The problem for Boro is there's now no space before the Qatar World Cup for either Wilder or a new manage to work on a tactical rejig - it's now more or less two games a week now until the break so I suspect we are stuck with hoping those much mentioned "small margins" move in our favour.

To be honest it's hard to see this regime and team suddenly becoming a good side any time soon as there appears to be no creativity in midfield and now Wilder has seemingly lost faith with his wing-backs. Our aspirations for this season appears to be hoping to be an average side rather than a poor one - drop creativity and opt for steady and solid with the hope of nicking games by not making errors - it's a return to Warnock and Pulis in all but name with two big lads up top and five defenders at the back and a pedestrian midfield. Maybe time to get in a free agent who has a long throw...


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@werdermouth.  Spot on.  I am afraid you are right it’s back to boring boring Boro, all behind the ball and hoping we can nick one.  

How has it got to this again and so quickly.  When are we ever going to have a period where we are discussing how well we played, how we dominated the opposition and we are the team to be feared?  

Unfortunately time is running out for many of us and I just wonder if we will be around long enough to see a team worthy of promotion. 😎


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@pedro 

If your team is utterly incapable of posting a pleasing performance, is always leaving you with the feeling that they were unprepared for the match and the opposition, then you are in a very dangerous situation. Anything can and will happen to you, heavy defeats, yep, been there. Sliding down the table, yep, we are there. Strange selections, strange loan outs, a string of eccentric Keepers, utterly without any form of striker, after the loan out of Josh! Anyone who seriously thinks that this can go on is deluding himself. It does not matter that our manager is wanting away, get someone else at the club to pick the team, that should break the log jam, because we are heading in one direction, league three.


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@k-p-in-spain 

Hang in there as I think we might get promoted next season - albeit from League One...


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There was at least one Boro player getting rave reviews at the weekend...

Sign him up


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Clive Hurren
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I thought Wilder had seriously lost the plot when I saw his team selection yesterday. Now, following his comments to the media I’m starting to think he might also be losing / have lost the dressing room. I always think it’s a bad sign when a manager has a go at identified players in public rather than criticising them in the dressing room. Yesterday, he threw both Dijksteel (by implication) and Crooks under the bus. It’s not the first time. What becomes ever more obvious as his tenure goes on is how he never takes responsibility himself for any of Boro’s failings, though his negative team selection at Coventry must surely have contributed to another defeat. ‘Nothing to do with me, guv,’ appears to be his attitude. He’s lost my respect now. Has he lost the players’ respect, too? And something else he’s losing (apart from 4 out of 5 away games) is the immense amount of goodwill he attracted in his first few months in the job. Lose the crowd and you’ll probably be on your bike. And one thing’s for sure. If we fail to beat Birmingham on Wednesday there’ll be hell on. 

 


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I see Rip Van Winkle not having a good time at the moment at Man Utd 🤣 


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For some reason  I couldn’t get Radio Tees yesterday so decided to watch BBC’s Final Score on the red button. It took me back to Grandstand in the good old days but with added comments. I must say though that I enjoyed the programme listening to the excitement from presenter Jason Mohammad and his guests especially the updates of Liverpool v Brighton, but not Coventry v Boro. It takes me back to David Coleman, Frank Bough, Des Lytham and Steve Rider. Think I’ll watch it again in future instead of boring commentaries on Radio Tees.

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PaulInBoro
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Wilder for wolves anybody, only joking he can't speak Portuguese 


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What I would really like to know, but probably will never be told, is, who ultimately carries the responsibility for the recruitement of players in and letting players leave either sold or loaned.

Surely Mr Gibson, like ourselves on here must have serious and I mean serious reservations as to the not inconsiderable amount of money spent by a Championship club without Parachute Payments and what we have brought in.

The replacements required just to stand still were obvious and then there was the indication of a push on from last season to obtain a play off place.

We have failed miserably, although I accept losing Tav was a blow. We have brought in rejects that other teams did not want. We have brought in players without pace, without the ability to win the ball and without creativity. 

We now have Mr Wilder under immense pressure and looking for options to lay the blame at any door than his own. However where was the joined up thinking and agreement as to the players purchased that would add value to the team.

As said previously, Forss and Hoppe, WHY? Akpom, the return of the prodigal son!

Why were we not successful in getting a really proven midfield player that could dictate play and play a pass. We certainly had the money, it is hard to believe that the recruitement department did not have players identified.

We are now fighting a relegation battle after eleven games, that is not being pessimistic, it is a reality. To be honest I really cannot see CW turning it around.
Birmingham is a must win. If we lose I think we should be hearing from Mr Gibson.

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Clive Hurren

A couple of comments on the BBC website from Boro fans suggesting that Chris Wilder hasn’t lost the plot, but since the debacle of being odds on favourite for the Burnley managership and now the Bournemouth one, he wants Steve Gibson to sack him so that he can get compensation. Surely not!

I’ve never heard of managers adopting those tactics, though perhaps Wilder’s agent might not be so scrupulous. Nevertheless some Boro players in the past like Yakubu and Mido, have played for a transfer, and Steve McLaren sailed close to the wind at tlmes always seemingly looking for a bigger club than Boro  to manage.  It will be interesting though what happens at West Brom if Steve Bruce gets the sack.

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@pedro 

I am truly amazed at the tolerance of our supporters, the ability to pick a team that functions on the pitch, that can face any club in this division and collect a sufficient number of points to have us at least thinking of the playoffs should be the minimum requirement for this job, that is always. Any failure on that point should be instant dismissal. We possess all the requirements, training complex, ground, crowd of a size required, no nearby town to syphen off supporters. Not running on a budget. So tell me, how come we hire hasbeens on their sixth club, getting along in years, perhaps ready for a quiet time. Why don't we hire a star who has bigger ambitions than us. It makes sense, he has lived inside a great club, with great players, he has been subjected to great Managers, Great team mates. We can offer him training facilities, a Good set up, a youth team etc. If he has a burning desire to manage at the top we would get the benefit of his ambition.  

P.S. Just seen a comment by the press which should make the management feel ashamed.

"Nottingham forest had the bad luck to lose their star player Djed Spence to Tottenham"

That statement sums up how low we are in the pecking order. He was never their player, he was borrowed from us, and the entire tale tells us what sort of an outfit we are, pointless and hopeless. Still, he put a 100  million in their pockets, and maybe more if they survive. I wonder who uttered the words, " yea', he can go on loan".  


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Plato

On a previous thread I asked who you would want to see managing Boro. So who is this star with great ambition? And if he has great ambition, why would he want to come to us? Seriously, whom do you suggest? 

I’m losing patience with Wilder, but I have some sympathy with the view expressed in today’s EG by Craig Johns that aiming for longer term stability means hanging on to Wilder for a while yet, riding out the current storm and building on the foundations he has sought to put in place. I’m not sure that argument will hold water too much longer if the slump continues, however, and I do think there must be someone out there who could be doing a better job with this group of underachieving players. But I have no idea who that person could be nor what Boro do next if this current project falls through prematurely. Perhaps you could help me out with a suggestion? 


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@ken 

I listen to Radio Tees, watch Final Score, follow comments on Diasboro, and follow the live reports on BBC Sports site and the Gazette! Perhaps my senses are overwhelmed by so many accounts of our poor play and that is why I drink too much trying to drown my sorrows during matches.

I have managed to keep half the bottle of wine for Wednesday as I won't be travelling over. Maybe my absence will prove to be the breakthrough for a great Boro win though that ploy didn't when we lost to Cardiff.  


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@exmil 

That new white kit should help avoid the awkward clash of red shirts and light blue ones that often makes the game hard to follow 😉 

I honestly believe that playing in that anaemic white kit contributed to our pathetic performance. Boro play in red and should take the opportunity to do that whenever possible. The kit then becomes part of our pride in the club. Yes, there are times when we need to change kit and we have choices usually based around blue stripes but why go so far away from our tradition. Is it just to sell a few more shirts.

Can I hope that we play in our proper red at Birmingham.

UTB

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jarkko
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I missed the game totally even it was on ViaPlay over here. Just a quick look at the mobile and it was 1-0 all the time. Terrible.

I watched the highlights via mfc.co.uk yesterday, though. We had chances to equalise the game if the highlights were to believed. So normal performance again - gave a goal away and didn't score with our few chances.

I hope we won't change the manager now, though. We are where we deserve to be, but knowing Mr. Gibson, he would most probably replaced an attacing minded Wilder with an old dinosaurus like Pulis or Warnock again. 

In recent times, he has gone from one extreme to another. Mogga to Karanka, then Monk and next Pulis. Then the boring tactics were replaced by a 4-3-3 merchant in Woodgate. And then Warnock was hired - during his time the interviews were more entertaining than the play.

Now we finally have a decent manager in Wilder. A good, previously successful and very experienced manager, who does not become bad overnight. The same applies to the players.

I hope we get some (or very, verry much of) luck on Wednesday and win. We are due some luck next and a bad performance by the opposition team. Anyway, any kind of a win will do. We could do with a Southgate type leader on the field who would bring the players together like Gareth did after the season ticket throwing incidence in the McClaren era.

@Selwynoz The next match is on Riverside (not at Brum), so we will be playing in red against Birmingham, me thinks. Up the Boro!

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K P in Spain
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@david-in-cumbria.  Cardiff was not down to you David, it was me being there! 😉😎


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The biggest surprises of the Championship season have been Reading and Blackburn.  They are both in the top six after eleven matches. I expected them both to be nearer the bottom three.

Then both WBA and Boro have underachieved in a big way. Both team are on 10 points after eleven matches. Less than a point per a match. So really relagation form.

I think there is a lot to play for still. It could easily be so that both WBA and Boro (hopefully at least the latter) will finish above Reading or Blackburn in May.

But we need to start winning soon. Up the Boro!


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Breaking- Wilder sacked! 

Wasn’t expecting that! 


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@clive-hurren 

Twitter has been full of rumours past few weeks and he has lost the players 

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@selwynoz 

A third kit exists for one purpose only and that is to extract a bit more money from supporters - even the club website didn't try to hide that fact as the headline simply said: Boro’s Third Shirt Unveiled - Buy It Now!

As I mentioned, it reminded reminded of something my mother bought me from C&A when I was 8 as they tried to added a random splash of colour to a boring white T-shirt. I look forward to the next marketing campaign to sell it  - "Own the shirt that no Boro player did in the defeat against the bottom club"


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