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@andy-r Unless we go to the source of the problem appointing a good Manager is only papering over the cracks. Before long they will reappear along the same old fault lines. Maybe initially in the form of a generous "gift" that the Manager doesn't want, doesn't need or simply just doesn't fit into his team set up. That expenditure and consequential wage cost then becomes a financial burden and worse, a stick to beat the Manager with.

There are many problems within the club, recruitment being a blindingly and recurring obvious one yet Gary Gill still remains through all the comings and goings. Now maybe Gary Gill just sits there and nods his head at the appropriate time in meetings saying "yes Steve", "good idea Steve", "I couldn't agree more Steve" but that will continue to screw up any new Manager and that is just one area!

Having Financial clout twenty years ago just meant that errors could be covered up by splashing more cash at the problem and eventually if you threw enough of the stuff around some of it would stick. The Club now needs far more prudent and astute direction with performances of all departments (including silly things like new shirts) under analysis and measurement. The seeming lack of that from silly shirts to silly signings and silly contracts all stem from someone who wants to write the theme tune, sing the theme tune etc.

If we brought in Jurgen Klopp with Pep Guardiola as his assistant in the Summer they would fail miserably because the basic infrastructure as it is now is unfit for purpose. 


   
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Thanks RR for your report on another dismal display by a Boro team who were not aided by NW putting square pegs in round holes and then failing to rectify his errors.  

At least your reports must becoming easier to write as you can copy and paste the same things from one report to another; over hit crosses, mis placed passes, wasted corners and free kicks coupled with a lack of troubling the opposition keeper.

Quiet frankly on the season's display we do not deserve to stay up and I will be embarrassed if we are saved by another team being relegated by a points deduction.

i fear that our next ignominy is a mauling in the Lions' den. 😎😡


   
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@andy-r Unless we go to the source of the problem appointing a good Manager is only papering over the cracks. Before long they will reappear along the same old fault lines. Maybe initially in the form of a generous "gift" that the Manager doesn't want, doesn't need or simply just doesn't fit into his team set up. That expenditure and consequential wage cost then becomes a financial burden and worse, a stick to beat the Manager with.

There are many problems within the club, recruitment being a blindingly and recurring obvious one yet Gary Gill still remains through all the comings and goings. Now maybe Gary Gill just sits there and nods his head at the appropriate time in meetings saying "yes Steve", "good idea Steve", "I couldn't agree more Steve" but that will continue to screw up any new Manager and that is just one area!

Having Financial clout twenty years ago just meant that errors could be covered up by splashing more cash at the problem and eventually if you threw enough of the stuff around some of it would stick. The Club now needs far more prudent and astute direction with performances of all departments (including silly things like new shirts) under analysis and measurement. The seeming lack of that from silly shirts to silly signings and silly contracts all stem from someone who wants to write the theme tune, sing the theme tune etc.

If we brought in Jurgen Klopp with Pep Guardiola as his assistant in the Summer they would fail miserably because the basic infrastructure as it is now is unfit for purpose. 

RR "the basic infrastructure as it is now is unfit for purpose".  I would suggest that rather than "now is unfit for purpose" it has been unfit for purpose for quiet a number of years and the varying root and branch reviews have failed miserably  to successfully address the issues.  

It probably needs an outside firm of consultants, with the necessary skills and experience, to undertake a detailed warts and all review and produce a detailed plan to take the club forward.  

Whether SG is prepared to go down such a route or take on board the recommendations is another matter!   I would even suggest that this needs to be a survival plan as I don't know how MFC can survive on the limited income generated in League 1 even with SG's support.  The likes of Rockliffe and the academy must all be at risk.😎

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It may seem silly but I am beginning to think that this manager is taking advice from Woodgate (remembering that he was being kept on the books) because the selections are same as same as.

If the fans had been in charge of selection Tav. Wing, Fletcher, Pears, would have started every game. Fry would have been centre back fixture, and Britt would not be on the pitch.

I reckon that we would have scored at least a couple of goals extra, and conceded a couple less in our last outings, which would have utterly changed our prospects.

It turns out that this person has been called in to prove that woodgate's selections were correct and the fans know nothing.

To date he thinks that Tav. Is not worth a game, Britt is the answer, (particularly in the air) Fletcher is inferior to Britt, Roberts is worth persisting with, and Pears is no. 2 keeper. And Wing's goals didn't happen.

He is the doppelganger of Woodgate, and will get the same result at the end of the season.   


   
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This may sound strange, but I would bring in Mogga after the season is over. He stabilised many things behind the scenes after Strachan had abondened the reqruitment department, for example. He did not have money but still bought wisely.

Bring him back as a manager or Director of Football. But he knows the club, the fans and the area. Look where he has taken Blackburn without spending a fortune (I know they haven't played well since lock-down, though).

Interestingly, NW said after the latest defeat that the club needs reconstruturing after the season ends. Wasn't that done as per Pulis wanted already last summer?

Something is wrong there now. We are changing the manager once a year and do not know where to go next. We need something but no one knows what. I am buzzled.

Up the Boro! 

But why would Mogga want to leave Blackburn for another stint with Boro with the same problems they have now when Mogga was first given the poisoned chalice?


   
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@k-p-in-spain I have a particular aversion to Consultants. They come in and ask everyone whats wrong with the business, write it up in a sugar coated version so as not to offend the hierarchy and in effect their paymasters too much and then leave with a six or seven figure cheque deposited in the bank. The consequence is leaving the mess behind only with the Hornets now stirred up as they try to implement a new way forward while blaming each other for why it was wrong in the first place.

If that wasn't bad enough they invariably know very little about the Industry they are dealing with and often make vague sweeping assumptions that are horribly wide of the mark. Now I am sure there are some good ones out there and I am generalising mainly about the global blue chip ones and only from personal experience in organisations I have worked for previously.

I was asked once if I was a Consultant and my reply was an emphatic "No", "I'm the bloke that tries to take the "Con" out of Consultant"!


   
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This may sound strange, but I would bring in Mogga after the season is over. He stabilised many things behind the scenes after Strachan had abondened the reqruitment department, for example. He did not have money but still bought wisely.

Bring him back as a manager or Director of Football. But he knows the club, the fans and the area. Look where he has taken Blackburn without spending a fortune (I know they haven't played well since lock-down, though).

Interestingly, NW said after the latest defeat that the club needs reconstruturing after the season ends. Wasn't that done as per Pulis wanted already last summer?

Something is wrong there now. We are changing the manager once a year and do not know where to go next. We need something but no one knows what. I am buzzled.

Up the Boro! 

But why would Mogga want to leave Blackburn for another stint with Boro with the same problems they have now when Mogga was first given the poisoned chalice?

They are in an even worse state than when Mogga took over the first time and as you say Ken absolutely nothing has changed. There seems to be a sense of untouchability amongst a few within the club, that lack of accountability has cost MFC dearly and is about to cost an awful lot more. Toleration of mediocrity is a very expensive habit. 


   
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Can’t add anything new to what others have posted. I expected a “typical Boro” performance so, in that respect, I wasn’t surprised.

just one observation: a consultant is someone who borrows your watch and charges £x thousand to tell you the time, so no way would I go down that route.


   
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Sorry if I’ve upset any genuine consultants. My cynicism is borne out of experience of the many charlatans used in the Steel industry to tell us where we were going wrong. This excludes those consultants who came in to do a specific job and did it well.


   
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Whilst agreeing with AV’s assessment and realising he has the right to print it, it’s surely counter productive for a team so low on confidence. That’s probably the reason why Neil Warnock states he is happy with the commitment shown by his players to boost their morale. If I were a Boro player (some hope!) I’d refrain from reading press reports or comments on Diasboro however justified they are. How is it that Stoke for example can put behind two poor performances against Boro and Wigan but then score 4 goals and win comfortably against Barnsley, or Reading after losing 0-3 to admittedly a good Brentford team, then win 5-0 against Luton, yet Boro players let the disappointment of not beating Hull manifest itself in such a poor performance against QPR? Are they so low on confidence that they can’t put the last result behind them and put each setback behind them and start afresh? To me it shows lack of character.

Life is full of setbacks for many people. I’ve had my fair share of them, but have always fought back. Sir Bobby Robson fought back from two forms of cancer before the third one was too much for him. Today’s footballers receive wages far in excess of most of us can even dream about, but most are mercenaries with no allegiance to their present employers, yet lads dream of playing for their local club. Gone are the days of players like Jimmy Dickinson who made 764 appearances for his beloved Portsmouth, or closer at home Mickey Fenton who played all his career for Boro.

On the subject of Wigan Athletic it will be interesting to see how they deal with a prospective 12 point deduction. I think they will cope rather well, but if they don’t as a Boro fan I’ll feel very uncomfortable if they are relegated at the expense of Boro. It’s up to Boro to make sure that they earn the right to stay in this League by results on the field of play without relying on off the field problems at Wigan. Indeed I would much prefer Boro to be relegated than to rely solely on the debacle at Wigan, although I guess few would agree with me.

 


   
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@steely Like Footballers there are some very good ones who are good value for money but there are far more charlatans who masquerade behind a facade, hang around for too long costing a fortune in the process and leave everything and everyone worse off, again like some Footballers or at least most Boro Footballers.


   
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Whichever manager Boro appoint next, perhaps the club should look for one that best fits what players remain at the club. Warnock bemoans that there are no leaders in the squad but for me that's an old-fashioned view that every team needs some Roy Keane types to shout and chastise the players on the pitch. Times have changed and it's just a cliched view of football that gets rolled out by long-retired players who are now pundit.

If you simply play to players strengths they will perform better and modern football relies more on athleticism and technical ability than the proverbial 'getting stuck in' or 'putting a foot in' - all that achieves is likely red cards as referees don't approve of the physical challenge that used to be part of the culture. Strong characters on the pitch will not make the other players pass the ball better or encourage them make better decisions.

So the club need to find someone who can make a few astute signings to compliment the nucleus of quite a few technically good young pacy players. You wouldn't want Warnock to be around next season to build a limited side of hardened pros - what you want is modern manager who has a plan and can educate this group of young players to be able to make better decisions and link-up better with teammates.

Sadly, it's all a bit too late for anything to emerge this season and so it's probably just a case of playing most of the younger players and those who can command a position in the hope they give it a go and get lucky.


   
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@redcarred. I accept some of the limitations of Consultants that is why I said with the necessary skills and experience. I accept that it will be a painful experience if the job is done properly and with a willingness from all concerned to recognise that major changes are needed if the club is to survive and prosper.

If this isn't the route then what is?  Do MFC continue in the same vein making the same mistakes until the administrators turn up or even worse the receivers? 😎

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@redcarred Agree with all of that, RR. My slightly flippant point about stumbling across a good, long-term manager is that I don’t think we’re going to get that strategic planning unless someone comes in and shows our hierarchy the way forward.

I’m afraid I’ve lost faith that the club knows how to move forward sensibly, be it managerial appointments or other areas of the club.

With the current “planning”, I think we’re going to have to get lucky.


   
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Werder, one point I would make and that is the fact that we are well off the pace in the latest gamesmanship ploys in the game.

Just couple of examples, players do not kick the opponent, they run into them at speed, or they arrive late after the bell has been kicked, then claim a foul, when beaten they crash to the ground. These all work.   


   
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The demise of MFC can be put firmly at the door of poor recruitment. Whether that is either permanent or loan deals for players that have been abject failures.

 
I could produce a long list of glaring examples, the odd very few successful signings simply highlight the problem. In his recent press conference NW seemed shocked at the dearth of quality players at the club, and reading between the lines he intimated the writing was on the wall. In fact it is written in very large letters. 
 
This problem has been allowed to fester at the club since the days of Southgate and his sad tenure. That he kept the club in the Premiership as long as he did is a testament to his future success. Of course it is not easy to source players and there is a lot of competition for available talent, but the ratio of good vs bad deals is quite frankly abysmal.
 
NW is forced to try and cobble a rescue plan to prevent relegation using the squad available to him. The team selections, formations and square pegging shows he is desperately trying to find a way to produce the required points. He doesn’t have enough games to set up a fixed way of playing to ensure a solid base for the club. It’s more of a hit and hope strategy that he may stumble on a way to get this rag tag bunch to win the games needed to survive.
 
The level of apathy both on and off the field is an insult to the loyal fans who deserve better. 

   
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All team pursuits need Leaders be it in a military or sporting backdrop. In footballing terms the game has evolved since the days of Ron Yeats, Chopper Harris, Billy Bremner or even Norman "bites yer legs" Hunter.

As much as I despise him John Terry wouldn't have watched 5 or 6 team mates stroll through those Hull and QPR games. In fact its more likely that they wouldn't have even contemplated it in the first instance.

Vincent Kompany was a good Captain for City but didn't rely on the physical John Terry style of Leadership. Good, strong or even great Leadership is knowing what is required in different situations, it isn't one size fits all but there does have to be certain characteristic traits in order to be effective, confidence, charisma, belief, determination all play a part but to different levels at different times. Our own Gareth Southgate was a great Leader (and clearly still is) but not by kicking people or by cheating.

Vieira's style was strong and dominant but very different to Terry's or Keane's. Bryan Robson was another who was successful at Captaining a side but again what worked for him then probably wouldn't cut it at the highest level now. Bobby Moore, Bobby Charlton, Billy McNeil all had leadership qualities without being physically intimidating. Tony Adams was more of a roll your sleeves up and get stuck in but Liverpool's Gerrard was more encouraging than rollicking. 

Overseas, Totti, Maldini even Maradona all achieved greatness and what I would give for a Franco Baresi or a Carlos Puyol shouting and motivating at the Riverside. I would however definitely pass on a Roy Keane type. My pick from my footballing memory would be Franz Beckenbauer, his footballing ability alone was first class but his man management, subtle motivation and support for those around him was second to none.

Relating all that to Boro right now I don't see any Leaders, I see some nice older Pro's but thats all. Ideally we need two or three in the squad that can gee up those around them on and off the pitch and not let standards drop. We saw in Grant that being a great footballer is not even a pre-requisite, giving your all, battling and never say die is infectious and when the chips were down he rallied his team mates at his own house, put simply thats Leadership.

 

 


   
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I think a major problem Warnock will now have is splits and divisions in the camp. There are Players who have departed and those who are physically still here but mentally we don't know what they are thinking and lets face it have no affinity to the club or area. I would guess that probably wouldn't apply to Friend or Clayts but even so it must be extremely difficult to get buy in to what you are trying to achieve with say Shotton, Johnson, Morrison or Nmecha etc. Now they may genuinely be willing to bust a gut like Robert's is seemingly willing to do I don't know but on the 23rd of this month or just over two and a half weeks from now their lockers will be emptied and their futures lying elsewhere.

He has Players who are still contracted like McNair, Saville, Assombalonga, Fletcher etc, and even Dael Fry who will know that there is a high likelihood that they will could be sold off for a multitude of reasons. Then there are the longer term players, ones who have a future at the Boro like Coulson, Pears, Spence, Tavernier, Wing etc. but lets be honest they know that should the worst happen there is a good chance their agents will find them better options. Already Spence and Tavernier have been linked with Spurs and Brighton respectively, whether it would come off is another matter of course but it will be in the back of their minds. 

I think he quickly needs to identify who are morally bankrupt and who want to fight for the sake of the club. 

 

 


   
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@redcarred As Sunderlands season is over, can we have Leads back on loan?

Just joking but we need one like him. Up the Boro! 


   
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I suppose it all depends how Warnock is defining leadership - maybe he wouldn't have regarded Southgate in that context if we go by what he said before the Stoke game...

"Are there any natural leaders here? Not that I’ve seen so far. We all like one or two nasty people, don’t we? Well, I do."

Clearly he sees leadership as something that involves upsetting those around them but is anyone performing so good as a player that they can slag off others? I've always thought Tavernier has been quite vocal with some of his team-mates but perhaps part of the problem of having few leaders on the pitch may stem from the fact that not many players are actually sure of being selected for two games in a row.

Leadership on the pitch comes with the confidence of knowing that you have the authority of being a regular starter and knowing whether your team-mates are actually carrying out their duties properly - which given the system also seems to change as often as the personnel, is anyone actually sure what anyone around them is supposed to be doing in order to tell them they're doing it wrong? John Terry could perhaps as long-term club and England captain feel secure in his personal authority.

Perhaps the insecurity on the pitch and the appearance of drift has been something that has in many ways has been created by the drift off the pitch. Both goal-scorers in the Stoke game didn't start at Hull, which in itself must affect confidence - or if you're a midfielder and the new boss opts to start a central defender in your position that must also further erode your importance.

Some say that players should react to being overlooked by trying to perform better but unfortunately most Boro players have probably been contemplating their futures at the club during the Covid pause and are now even wondering if they've got a long-term future on Teesside.

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@grovehillwallah I think you are right on recruitment being the issue, but I'm not sure it is the whole story.  Something happens when players arrive here which means they more often than not don't fulfil their potential.  Look at two of our big money flops in the squad at the moment - Britt and Saville.  You can't argue they have given value for money but they were established Championship players at the time and should have improved our squad.  Why haven't they?

Other recent examples:

Aden Flint - good Champ defender who scores goals for fun and then looks shaky gets 1 all season with us.

Jonny Howson - good pro, but didn't deliver the goals he had elsewhere.

We can probably all come up with examples of where our scouting team has unearthed talent and then they've underachieved for us or done well elsewhere - de Roon, Lindelof, Ziyech.  Jordan Hugill - couldn't score for us last season, no problem at QPR.  Even Martin Braithwaite for all his detractors ends up at Barcelona!

Who can we say we have really developed recently?  Adama?

We always get told we have the best training facilities around so why can't we develop players?  In fact, why do they seem to go backwards?

 

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I wonder if, in part, we're suffering a Pulis hangover. When he leaves a club it seems he does so with the players so drilled they're basically broken. 

Fundamentally, though, we've been on a long, downward slide since we appointed Southgate. We partially stabilised under Mowbray then bobbed back up for a season under AK and now we're even further down.

To me, it feels like the first Riverside era is now over. Gibson has tried for 13 years to run a club that is largely self-sustaining albeit he floats it on £12m per year. Has to be said, he has failed. It's not for want of trying but he has changed everything bar those at the very top and the result has been the same each time. Now the manager changes are coming faster and faster but the results keep getting worse. 

You can nurture a culture of excellence, of winning so that when players go out on the pitch they feel that even if they lose this match they'll win the next one. We have a culture of losing; even when we win a game the players act as though they'll lose the next one. The players go onto the pitch expecting to lose. The problem is not ability or fitness, it is mentality.

The problems at MFC are systemic. People often talk about "a bad apple" in a barrel but when a problem is systemic, the problem is the barrel. You buy a good player or appoint a good manager but they get thrown into a toxic barrel. You keep buying more players, selling the damaged ones for a loss and still because the problem is the barrel, you aren't fixing anything. Evolution doesn't fix this: only revolution does. 


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Unfortunately the one common denominator in all of our problems since Gareth Southgate has been the Owner, Mr Gibson.

Now I know he has put millions of Bulkhaul’s money in and continues to do so at this point in time. When you look at the situation across at Wigan, we all say, how lucky we are to have such an Owner.

However, as has been said on here many times, if he ran Bulkhaul in the same way as  he does MFC, they would probably not exist now. How is it that he started with nothing and has become such a successful business man. To succeed in the business world you have to be ruthless at times, but moreover you have to make decisions that are consistently good ones. If you don’t and you get too many wrong, then you eventually fail. 
That is what he has done with MFC. He has consistently made poor decisions, put his hand in his pocket and started again, but then continuing to make those same mistakes.

How has he made Bulkhaul what it is, in terms of profit anyway, (maybe Mr O’Neil runs the company in reality) covering the losses of MFC and Rockcliffe, the latter an ill conceived idea based on being in the Premier League, does make one wonder.

Mr Gibson has been committed to MFC for thirty odd years and it would be sad to see him regarded as a failure in the eyes of the wider fan base if we fall into League 1.

 

 


   
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Has anyone actually seen or heard of a medium to long-term strategic plan for MFC?  I suspect that nothing remotely resembling such a plan exists because none of the key decisions taken over recent years could possibly have been part of a sensible strategic plan.  

There has been zero evidence of any long-term thinking, not an inkling of any kind of strategy, no sign of a clear goal that the club might be aiming to achieve at the end of, say, five years, no cohesive recruitment policy, poor communication with the clubs customers (the supporters) and no sign of any internal systems to analyse the performance of the management and hold people responsible for their results.

No business can operate successfully without some kind of business plan and MFC is no exception. The apparent lack of a plan coupled with dysfunctional management has produced the inevitable result which is total failure to perform.


   
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Yes, it could well be disastrous to be relegated, but as things stand it’s not getting any better soon. Like all gamblers SG needs to realise when he is just throwing good money after bad. 

The current business model at MFC isn’t working and doesn’t seem to hold much promise for future seasons. We wouldn’t be the first club to drop into League One and use it as a springboard to revamp the club. Sunderland have proved that if you just keep repeating the same mistakes you end up getting the same results.

 

On the other hand there are quite a few clubs who have re-invented themselves after relegation, I would add ourselves in that category. If we do survive this season who’s to say we won’t find ourselves in the same position next year?

 

Time to offload some of the under performing high earners and move to a completely different type of player with ambition and attitude above pure monetary aims. Continually struggling breeds the wrong attitude at a club and is transferred to the fans. I would imagine someone like NW could fashion a promotion winning squad. 

Historically MFC have been here before and have risen back. Football is a cyclic industry where if you get it wrong you suffer the fate of relegation but that doesn’t mean you can’t be successful once again. I think a lot of fans have come to accept that we are probably going to go down unless Wigan save us. 


   
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@deleriad Pulis left us with very poor and overpriced signings and also sold our best Striker to re-invest that money in Saville. His very expensive loans also returned so essentially the squad was weaker than when he joined us with no continuity planning or developmental strategy in place. If it is to be believed he also recommended Woodgate. 

Its no wonder that we are in a worse state than when he was here made all the worse by then replacing him with Woodgate. The fans wanted Pulis gone but I don't know anyone who wanted Woodgate. I know some were willing to give him a chance but it was a stupid decision which beggared belief and as a consequence we now are where we are. It was predictable and foreseeable to just about everyone except the man with the Golden Thread dream (or delusion).


   
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I have said this many times before, there has always been an old pals act syndrome at the club for many seasons. That is one thing that needs to be booted out pronto. 


   
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RR the saddest thing for me is the fact that we are being victimised by the very dregs of this league who all, without fail run onto the field determined to run at top speed and never stop running towards our goal, knowing that they are useless they punt the ball up into the sky and never stop doing that, any time they get the ball near our goalmouth they all storm in there, and no, they are not looking for a Good chance to score, they just want to put boot to ball in the general direction of our keeper knowing that well executed goals are not for the likes of them.

When we get the ball in their box, every one of them goes into frenzy of kicking pushing jumping lashing out at all and sundry until that ball has departed their box, it goes without saying that they crash to the ground when they lose the ball.     

We are pitifully under coached and under motivated, really without a clue, I mean, conceding in the 7th minute of injury time? Come on! I bet no one thought of giving away a free kick on the halfway line. 


   
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Strange that the answer to a problem in the Prem was to fire the Manager who had got us there ( in spite of the best efforts of local yokels) and go back to useless ones who were more our style. Hhhm!


   
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