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Hull 2 - 1 Boro

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This is a First, me having a different view to you.

I do not think that any keeper, ever, should be anywhere but in the centre of his goal, on the goal line, when defending a freekick.

This freekick was a second class penalty, and the keeper is the only one who should be responsible for his castle.

The whole affair was a result of the complete lack of coaching at our club.

A couple of examples, although in a devastating position, Hull had a rock solid game plan, that was to get the ball in the air and keep it there, as an additional aid they made sure that they went to ground whenever they lost the ball, and they kept this up at all times.

When the ball was on it's way into our box, they stormed our box in numbers, hoping for a touch.

We fielded a player who has scored 1 goal in six months, After the penalty he was surpluses to requirements in a game of head tennis and should have made way for Fletcher, much more use to us in the air.

 Roberts? I am afraid that he is a dribbler, and may be of some use, if he is given a direct order to pass the ball after beating one man only. This must be enforced, and may be the making of him.

Every time Tav comes on, he looks like the man who knows where the goal is, and is prepared to score.   

Several times we had the ball in their goalmouth. At no time did anyone go in head down and try to force the ball over the line, their favourite tactic seems to be stand and watch from the edge of the box.

That was a very easy away win thrown to the dogs.

 


   
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KP, we looked vulnerable down out left and overall I do not believe Johnson is the answer at LB. Probably George is the best of a poor bunch, but needs someone who is prepared to work hard in front of him. Is that Coulson or Saville, with the former further on if we play 433.

I would go for two up front witch would mean either Roberts or Coulson losing out. Not convinced about the latter either.

I agree that Johnson is not a natural left back. But George Friend is too slow to play there. He has lost some of his space and the modern game cries out for a quick full back. I have liked George at centre back in the last two matches.

I do not undertand why we won't play Coulson in there (and Fletcher up-front), he is bit like winger or midfielder perhaps and like Johnson might be a temporary fix. Neither Johnson nor Coulson are as good as a defender as Djed Spencer is on the right.

The thing why I wrote this was to say, that we also have Marc Bola back and available.  This is important to remember as we have too few people in defence. I think Warnock has said this a few times, too.

Up the Boro!

Jarkko I know Bola is back but he couldn't get a regular start with Blackpool when on loan there. The times I have seen him in a Boro shirt he looked lost. Positionally he is all over and defensively extremely weak and vulnerable. He may perhaps be OK as a Left Winger but thats not why he was bought and with Coulson and Johnson already available in that role he doesn't solve the problem.


   
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I would suggest that after the most important one of avoiding relegation, NW’s secondary brief will be, who to keep and who to get shot of.


   
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@plato There were so many things wrong last night its hard to list them. Johnson was weak in defence but he created the opening for the penalty which maybe suggests that Coulson should have been LB and Johnson wide left in midfield. That said our only attacking intent came down our right so what on earth the plan was with Johnson and Coulson heaven only knows. Britt's reputation I think tinted Warnock's opinion of him, despite the penalty he now knows what the rest of us know and that is he never was and never will be a target man.

In the middle McNair battled and went on runs and Saville seemed determined to get a few shots off but other than that there wasn't much link up between the defence and attack. Spence and Roberts showed tantalising glimpses but with no end product, skills like that are of no value if they have no idea what options are on around them.

The defence isn't a unit. Dael Fry has had more partners than Zsa Zsa Gabor and Joan Collins put together this season and although Friend wasn't by any means the worst out on the pitch having Spence's naivety on one side and a left winger on the other of the CB pairing left them exposed. Shotton should have been at RB or played as part of a back three, failing that Howson. Woodgate tried with a back four but with the limitations of this squad it just didn't work and it doesn't look like working now and with Ayala gone its even worse!

Fletcher is our most agile and best in the air Striker, by no means a great Striker but if you are only going to play one then it can't be Britt. All his career he has chased onto loose balls, darting into the box to score or find tap ins. He isn't a big strong burly unit who can hold the ball up, his first touch looks like the ball has been tasered more often than not

Bringing Wing on was a strange substitution. The lad had one of his poorer games, never really getting a grip of the game. He did as we all know he can, link up well with Tavernier for the goal that should have stood but apart from that he was anonymous. Likewise Tavernier has to learn that shoving opponents over just gets you noticed for the wrong reasons and as soon as an opponent within five yards of you goes down the officials will always blame him for it regardless.

All in all it was the wrong players in the wrong formation playing the wrong tactics. I think Warnock will be of the same opinion when he watches the replay and I expect a few changes come Sunday and QPR.

 


   
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@grovehillwallah if I was NW I'd just do the "keep" list. It will save a lot of time and ink!


   
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@grovehillwallah      In the hope that we escape the drop and NW elects to give it another season, if he then acted on your post, there would not be enough to form a team never mind a squad.

We would need a completer clear out, especially the high earners, and would need to possibly sell a couple of the players that could command decent fees to give Mr Warnock a reasonable war chest to give promotion a go, if indeed that was what he wanted.

Without one and at least a reasonable play off chance, there would be no chance of him staying, even if he wants one last club.


   
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SG could always bring in a promising young manager to work with NW to benefit from his vast experience, with a view to taking over. Maybe even inheriting Warnock’s coaching team.


   
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@redcarred   I would endorse that and as poor as the players were, certainly in the final third, I think NW has to take some blame.

In his own mind he thought Hull were there for the taking, unfortunately he only just getting to know the players. By the time he really knows their deficiencies it may be too late.


   
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Realistically this was sickening but unsurprising. To an extent we got lucky against Stoke and unlucky against Hull. We ended up looking better than we are against Stoke and, arguably, looking worse than we are against Hull.

I still tend to think that we'll probably avoid relegation but it's not going to be pretty. Six points from the next six games will probably be enough and I think, under Warnock, that we'll manage that. 

We do have huge flaws in the squad. We don't have a lone striker to play the 4-5-1 that seems to be Warnock's preferred formation. We don't have a functioning left back: Coulson is the closest. We don't have pace in the centre of the team and, mentally, half of the squad look shell-shocked. Yet, you could probably take 7-8 players in our first team and have them improve most Championship teams. 


   
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It will be interesting to see Sunday's team, will we see Coulson left back and Fletcher up front?


   
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Posted by: @grovehillwallah

SG could always bring in a promising young manager to work with NW to benefit from his vast experience, with a view to taking over. Maybe even inheriting Warnock’s coaching team.

Please no!

I can only shudder when I think of who SG would appoint to "benefit" from the vast experience. In fact I suspect we already know who that would be, loitering in the background and likely at a time when we were starting to make some progress again. It would set us back another season at least then having to restart all over again.

If I were Warnock I would ask SG who he definitely doesn't want anywhere near the job and who is his favourite for the job. I would be then tell him to pick the one he doesn't want anywhere near the job.


   
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@redcarred I was thinking along the lines of a lower league manager who is showing promise. Definitely not someone within the club.


   
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Posted by: @grovehillwallah

@redcarred I was thinking along the lines of a lower league manager who is showing promise. Definitely not someone within the club.

Pheww!

I can put away the brown paper bag and start inhaling normally now!

Some interesting stats on the Hull game:

https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/football/middlesbrough-fc/revealing-statistics-behind-middlesbroughs-agonising-defeat-hull-and-what-changed-after-stoke-city-win-2903649


   
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@redcarred. Interesting but sadly nothing new! 😎🙁


   
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Posted by: @redcarred

Some interesting stats on the Hull game:

https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/football/middlesbrough-fc/revealing-statistics-behind-middlesbroughs-agonising-defeat-hull-and-what-changed-after-stoke-city-win-2903649

This lad has done some video reports earlier for the Red Army TV. Young but clever. And a Boro fan. 

Up the Boro! 


   
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Just been watching Boro's potential Ghost of "Football yet to come" courtesy of the Pompey/Oxford game and now the Fleetwood/Wycombe play offs (which is still being played as I type).

I had to give up on the Fleetwood/Wycombe match, a combination of the standard of clogging and Gareth Ainsworth's dyed mop was just to much to stomach any further. Harking back to last nights showing at Hull is now sending shivers down my spine. Let's hope that Warnock can save us from ourselves!


   
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With Charlton losing tonight Boro will overtake them if they win on Sunday.


   
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Thanks for the report RR appreciated as always thanks for your hard work which ended in a disappointing evening 

 

 

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@original-fat-bob.  I like the new moniker ⚽F⚽.  😎😀


   
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@deleriad

We can speak about the tactics, or lack of same, until the cows come home, but, when you are patently not good enough, then you had better get down and dirty with the rest.

Example one, they set out to kick the ball with enthusiasm, didn't matter where it was going. We wanted to tickle it! When they were beaten and about to lose the ball they regarded it as their duty to fall over in an ornamental way draping their body over our player, so that nothing moved until the ref blew his whistle. 

Ball in our box? They charged forward bundling into anyone in their way hoping for a touch. 

We never passed into space, always looking for someone, anyone, in a position to score, I should say that no one was running off the ball, it simply isn't our thing.

Our biggest fault is a complete absence of gamesmanship, to be gifted the lead against a desperate team, could and should have been the end of the affair, we could and should have treated them to a whole lot of air balls over their heads into the space behind them. It would have been good practice for them, and a chance for our nippy youngsters (that would be Tav.) maybe get a few goals, with the help of Fletcher?    

Just one point, we jettisoned one (none)striker. The other one is going to have to go the journey, or it's cocoa pops for us. Fletcher must play, period!


   
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