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werdermouth
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Well in the end it was indeed typical Boro in a scrappy game they didn't really look like losing until they lost at the death.

An early penalty that was comfortably converted by Britt appeared to have set Boro up for an even more comfortable win but Hull were soon level with a well-placed free kick. The game was end-to-end for the first quarter but after that it became a stop-start scrappy affair with neither side able to find a final ball.

Boro looked the most dangerous in the second half with players bursting forward but could never find that final ball to hurt Hull.

The defeat now leaves Boro just one point outside the relegation zone and has given Hull renewed hope. It looks like Neil Warnock will have to earn his money the hard way as his team are back in the thick of it.

Anyway, give your thoughts on the game...

 

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Hopeless in Hull

Boro made the relatively short trip south to Humberside for their second away game in 6 days. Hull have struggled with a porous defence, only Luton had conceded more, seemingly unable to keep clean sheets while Boro, as pointed out by Warnock in his press conference, have goal-shy Strikers with Boro consequently the lowest goal scorers in the division. Under Warnock however, those Boro scoring issues seemed to be getting addressed or at least in part with set plays now looking as though they had been rehearsed and two goals scored on their last outing away to fellow strugglers Stoke. Hull meanwhile had thrown away a two-goal lead away to a sorry looking Birmingham side on Saturday. A draw would not be disastrous for either side just yet with six more games to go but a defeat would be crushing in the survival stakes...

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K P in Spain
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Well I said I wasn't convinced we could see this out and sure enough!  Usual problems, weak at the back and poor in the final third.  I think NW will now realise what a job he has on his hands. 😎☹️

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BoroPhil
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well that is a sickener.  feels like we have controlled the 2nd half without ever really threatening.

 


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Malcolm
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Lewis Wing looked disinterested and was very poor.

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Sooo disappointing that they couldn't hang on to the draw ...  🙁


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Philip of Huddersfield
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What an awful game by 2 very poor teams. Defenders hoofing the ball clear, midfielders passing pretty useless and forwards with little idea. Can you take any positives ? Possibly Roberts in the first half and Spence with a few forward runs- probably doubtful for next game.

Can Warnock turn things round in 2 days?!!
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Pedro de Espana
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Well all the previous thoughts that the squad were better than have performed under Woodgate were blown away this evening. We have been blinded in our misconception that we were underachieving.

The reality is the squad is where it is because that is how good they really are. Some poor performances and were some players not totally committed.

i have to say though that after the Stoke game, I believe NW got in wrong in playing only one upfront.

Looks like this will go down to the wire. Only hope Wigan do not continue on their form busting run.


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Well the game between two struggling sides was never likely to be something to write home about and so it proved. In an empty stadium without atmosphere you could hear both benches shouting their frustrations as neither side brought their A-game, indeed judging by string of expletives audible from the dugouts it seems the coaching staff had mainly brought their F-game. However, one man who will probably swear he was glad to have been forced to stay at home and write about it is here to give his verdict - it's Redcar Red and his match report...

https://diasboro.club/2020/07/02/hull-2-1-boro/


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nigelreeve
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Well, obviously a disappointing result, the defence switched off for a moment at the end and that was it, game lost.

 

Its going to be  a slog to the end for sure.


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Clive Hurren
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This was the scrappiest game since Big Jim McScrapp, the Warrenby scrap merchant, had scraps with his chips, scrapped his car then had a huge scrap with Scrapo Scrapovic, the scrapper from Scrapton.

Both sides fed on scraps almost throughout this awful game. 

Well, that’s what I was poised to write as the clock ticked past 90 minutes. At that stage, such had been the appalling lack of quality displayed by both sides, I couldn’t see anybody winning it. If only I’d been right. 

What was infuriating was that Boro bossed the game for long periods, but without creating anything much. Defensively, for the most part, we were very sound, until the 91st minute. 

I don’t really know why NW decided to go with just Britt up front. It had worked well at Stoke when he had Fletch alongside him, but today, with just the two wide men supporting him, he was left mainly isolated. 


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John Richardson
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Oh bugger, the old red-zone switch-off again.

Never mind it's true to form and Boro will make it as difficult as they can. That was without doubt a point tossed away.

UTB, and my spirits,

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I don’t understand why Fletcher was dropped. 


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jarkko
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I am not saying we played well, but the performance was better than versus Swansea. There was commitment and the players were trying. Again, we were let down in the final third.

The ref gave far too many free kick and killed the tempo of the match. But we never really pushed and had chances, so a 1-1 draw would have been fair. Quite frankly, Hull never looked like the  better team.

We are in the scrap of relagation for a reason. But at least we were trying at Hull. The commitment was there.

And I enjoyed watching Spence and Tavanier yesterday. So we were better than versus Swansea but we didn't have the luck as at Stoke.

A terrible result but we still have some matches left. Boro must keep on trying and we as fans must keep on supporting.

Up the Boro! 


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Pedro de Espana
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Thanks Redcar Red for the alternative take on the poor to watch game, regardless of the implications of the result.

Where does mr Warnock go from here over the next two days. I assume he will only have the players in on Saturday, so not much time to tweak things.

As much as he made comment about the number of crosses, the vast majority were poor. We certainly need more penetration and more support upfront. We need Britt and Fletcher in from the off and if Spence is fit (though doubtful) I would drop McNair, he really has not shown he is up for it 


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Comments about the Boro's general ineptitude are spot on but I don't think enough has been said about the performance of Mr Eltingham, the referee who believes football is a non contact sport. The freekick for their equaliser was soft. Tav's goal should have stood as the defender fell over his own feet and I lost count of the number of times a player sank to his knees when under pressure and win a freekick. The referee was the icing on a pretty tasteless cake.


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BoroPhil
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@jarkko I don't actually think the performance was that bad...until we got to their penalty area.  we controlled the 2nd half without ever really looking like scoring.  As NW said our decision making was abysmal.

And they should have had 2 red cards.  and Tav's goal should have stood.  but then maybe we rode our luck v Stoke a bit.


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BoroPhil
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@cheshiretom there was also the one where two Hull defenders ran into each other and Tav got penalised 🙄 


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“The decision making was so poor. You had people trying to come inside when there was three men to pass to, or trying to thread a ball through the eye of a needle.”

 

At least Warnock saw the same game as us but dropping Fletcher was a mystery that backfired on him (and us). Even if our crosses hadn't been over hit without Fletcher its unlikely that Britt was capable of out jumping their CB's anyway. 


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Thanks RR for a spot on report on a "business as usual" display by a Boro team.  

Plenty of possession but weak defending and as NW is now finding out a team who consistently, in the final third, make poor decisions, execute poor passing and fail to deliver.  All of which has been a feature over a number of seasons and under countless managers.

We used to have one of the best defences, if not the best defence in the league, which often comprised, Shotton, Fry & Friend (Ayala, Flint or Gibson making up a back four).  The latter three are not available to us so why not go back to basics and use the former three together with Moukoudi.  Shotton and Friend should be deployed as traditional full backs with instructions not to venture too far beyond the halfway.  Alternatively, a combination of these players could be used as a back three.  

Width in the team can be provided via Coulson/Johnson, Roberts/Spence.   Coulson, Spence and Johnson to my mind have always looked better in forward positions and none of them are full backs/wing backs so don't use them as such.

Midfield is well served with the likes of Howson, McNair, Saville, Wing, Clayton and Tavernier.

Ideally we need two up front but if it is to be one then it cannot be Britt as he has proved time and time again that he is not up to that job, he is too immobile, lacks pace in comparison to Fletcher and has a poor first touch.

NW should have enough experience to ensure he puts square pegs into square holes and picks a side from these players capable of getting results; the problem is time is not on his or our side.

Hull were a poor side who didn't look like they could win and yet they did so. What does that say about us and our chances of survival! 😎☹️

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@redcarred

For what it is worth, this defeat was down to sheer ineptitude at the dark arts of the game. We get a penalty at the start, Great.

We then defend a free kick from the front edge of the box, our keeper decides he is going to stand to his right, the taker being on his left, inline with the keepers left hand post, the wall blocking that side of the goal.

The shot is a routine shot which, for once found the net. Two points. If our keeper had stood in the middle of his goal, at 6-4 and long arms its a snip of a save, second point, had the wall jumped it would have hit them. This is not rocket science, this is basic larn yerself football, idleness i'm afraid.

That single piece of foolishness cost us the game, with the lead their game plan was shot to ribbons. That got them back on track.   

I'm afraid that no one has convinced Roberts that dribbling is a mugs, until they do, we are in trouble. 


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nigelreeve
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We can point to all sorts of reasons why we lost yesterday and we've all got slightly different views on why, which in itself says something.

We certainly didn't perform well, but then it was a high pressure relegation battle, so a scrap was inevitable.

Which ever way we look at it Boro and Hull are two fairly evenly matched teams on form at least, so it was always going to be tight and lets face it what were the chances of winning tree away games in a row?

Lets hope the weekends game is an entirely different proposition.


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on decision making I caught a bit of a Ryan Giggs documentary last night and he was talking about how he, Beckham, Scholes etc knew exactly what the other would do so they would be confident in making runs etc.  you just wonder how much practice we put into that sort of thing, they all look they have just met each other.


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Plato normally the Wall covers that area of the goal and the Keeper the other. The Boro wall was jumping up and down but they will have been aware that against Birmingham Kane scored a free kick by keeping the ball on the ground and under the Birmingham wall when they jumped.

If you watch a video replay you will see that Friend had jumped but was in the downward cycle of his jump when the ball went over his head. A second earlier or later and it would have hit off his head. That said it was a brilliantly taken free kick, curled in with skill and we have to acknowledge that. Stojanovic got across his goal but the ball curled perfectly just inside the post giving him (or any other Keeper) no chance.


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Redcar Red continues to amaze me in the detail of his reports. I’ve often likened him to the late Cliff Mitchell to whom I used to deliver newspapers as a schoolboy in Henry Street. On reflection Redcar Red has now exceeded Cliff, it’s just a pity that in the last 3 years Boro’s performances have rarely lived up to the same standards as our own Rolls Royce’s reports.

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Pedro de Espana
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@k-p-in-spain

KP, we looked vulnerable down out left and overall I do not believe Johnson is the answer at LB. Probably George is the best of a poor bunch, but needs someone who is prepared to work hard in front of him. Is that Coulson or Saville, with the former further on if we play 433.

I would go for two up front witch would mean either Roberts or Coulson losing out. Not convinced about the latter either.


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Pedro de Espana
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Looking at the fixture list for this weekend, I think will be deeper in the whats-it before we kick off our next must win match against QPR. Draws are now not good enough and losing only pushes further to the drop. We have no leeway at all now.


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There were several poor performances from Boro players yesterday, in my opinion Johnson was the worst, he gave away a needless free kick which gifted Hull an equaliser. If we'd kept a clean sheet until half time who knows where the match would have gone. Johnson is nothing more than a league 1 player.


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@redcarred.  I sometimes think walls should be further back than standing on the 10 yard line the referee draws.  If they did move further back it reduces the area the kicker is able to aim at and also means the ball is probably dropping when it reaches them.  Depending on how far out the free kick is, standing on a 10 yard line often gives the taker the opportunity to get the ball up over the wall and then down under the bar.  I am surprised teams/coaches have not worked this out and come up with a plan to counter act.


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@nigelreeve he certainly isn't a natural defender.  but I did think he looked good at times going forward and linked up with Coulson well.  final ball lacking however.


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@k-p-in-spain

KP, we looked vulnerable down out left and overall I do not believe Johnson is the answer at LB. Probably George is the best of a poor bunch, but needs someone who is prepared to work hard in front of him. Is that Coulson or Saville, with the former further on if we play 433.

I would go for two up front witch would mean either Roberts or Coulson losing out. Not convinced about the latter either.

I agree that Johnson is not a natural left back. But George Friend is too slow to play there. He has lost some of his space and the modern game cries out for a quick full back. I have liked George at centre back in the last two matches.

I do not undertand why we won't play Coulson in there (and Fletcher up-front), he is bit like winger or midfielder perhaps and like Johnson might be a temporary fix. Neither Johnson nor Coulson are as good as a defender as Djed Spencer is on the right.

The thing why I wrote this was to say, that we also have Marc Bola back and available.  This is important to remember as we have too few people in defence. I think Warnock has said this a few times, too.

Up the Boro!

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