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Looking at the Gazete just now, they have brought this up again ie

 

"While no contact at this stage, Wilder hasn't killed the link completely. The reality of the situation is, Burnley are still in the Premier League, still have a chance of survival, and even if they don't will have a considerably larger budget thanks to parachute payments if they did come down"

What do you think? Will he jump ship? I think he will, mind you I am the worlds worst forecaster! 😀 😀  


   
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Thanks, Bob. 

It was not very happy as I expected three points in a nice bag. Felt like I finally learned what you all mean by 'Typical Boro'.

Up the Boro!


   
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Posted by: @malcolm

Looking at the Gazete just now, they have brought this up again ie

 

"While no contact at this stage, Wilder hasn't killed the link completely. The reality of the situation is, Burnley are still in the Premier League, still have a chance of survival, and even if they don't will have a considerably larger budget thanks to parachute payments if they did come down"

What do you think? Will he jump ship? I think he will, mind you I am the worlds worst forecaster! 😀 😀  

He certainly hasn’t shut the door.  

It will be strange if he does, having said early on following his appointment that it was his intention to be at the club for a number of years, as he saw getting back to the PL as a project over a number of seasons. 😎


   
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For me today’s game delivered one nice surprise and confirmed one unpalatable fact.  The surprise is that we have a decent goalkeeper in the squad.  The unpalatable fact is that there is a hell of a lot of work to be done and money spent in the summer to get the team to the point where it can mount a serious and sustained challenge for promotion to the PL.

Whether Steve Gibson has the financial means to stump up the considerable sums of money that are going to be needed is the big question.  Chris Wilder is probably asking him that very question at the moment and if the answer is no he may well give the Burnley job serious consideration.  Would I be despondent if he left?  Well I would prefer he stayed for next season but nobody is indispensable and he is not exactly doing a great job in the run in to the end of this season.  As always, other managers are available……….


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Well results have once again gone our way with Sheff Utd drawing at Bristol and Blackburn losing at home to Stoke - it means if Boro win their game in hand then they'll be level on points with the Blades. OK, it's a big if but the play-off barn door is still open if a Boro striker can find their Banjo while someone holds the cow down!


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Technically, it’s still in our hands to finish 6th. The main change over the last few weeks is that 6th is now the very best we can do.

It’s looking very unlikely now but were we to beat Cardiff - which we should - being joint 6th would give a different complexion to the outlook. I’m worried about the Swansea game before that though and think that could finally finish us off. They’re in fine form and have dangerously underachieved this season.

I’m not very happy with the Wilder-Burnley situation. It would be very easy to rule it out but he hasn’t. I think it’s clear that there’s some sort of interest that he doesn’t want to quash in case they make an approach. He’s interested, which doesn’t mean it will happen but does mean it’s on the cards if the circumstances suit.

Much of my casual approach to whether we’re promoted or not this season is based on the confidence that we’re in good hands and are building something. If Wilder goes, that changes the picture for me and I won’t be happy about it at all.


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Does anybody think that Mr Wilder is going to end up as Burnley next manager? Bigger paycheck & budget?

 


   
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Missed that . Sorry. ... Happy Birthday Jarkko.

Re the Burnley question... is it possible that it has unsettled the club and players performance is a reaction to CW not having convinced them he is really is with them for the long haul?


   
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Posted by: @powmillnaemore

Missed that . Sorry. ... Happy Birthday Jarkko.

Re the Burnley question... is it possible that it has unsettled the club and players performance is a reaction to CW not having convinced them he is really is with them for the long haul?

Maybe, but the malaise started well before today’s debacle. I doubt this Burnley link had anything to do with the Fulham and Hull defeats. 


   
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Missed that . Sorry. ... Happy Birthday Jarkko.

Re the Burnley question... is it possible that it has unsettled the club and players performance is a reaction to CW not having convinced them he is really is with them for the long haul

RE the CW comment maybe but we were playing pretty poorly before the Burnley Post became vacant.


   
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For me today’s game delivered one nice surprise and confirmed one unpalatable fact.  The surprise is that we have a decent goalkeeper in the squad.  The unpalatable fact is that there is a hell of a lot of work to be done and money spent in the summer to get the team to the point where it can mount a serious and sustained challenge for promotion to the PL.

Absolutely, boroexile, starting with the strikers. Only Watmore and Coburn are worth keeping, in my view. We need a serious (and expensive) upgrade at the front end. We also need a centre back (Sol has been great, but as today showed, he can’t go on forever), and at least one high quality keeper.

I’m a bit worried, too, by the lack of creativity we’ve shown in the last 3 games - with barely a chance created or a shot on target. With McGree, Jones and Tav in the side, we should be creating much more. In all 3 games - Bournemouth, Hull, Huddersfield - we have been virtually unable to break down stubborn, well-drilled defences. 

And our recruitment is going to need to be significantly better than what we have managed this season. 


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Does anybody think that Mr Wilder is going to end up as Burnley next manager? Bigger paycheck & budget?

 

Short answer no. Long answer. Still no. 

Just the usual social media hysteria and a bunch of trolling. Assuming we don't get promoted it is possible that he might move on in the summer but that would only happen if there is a massive bust up. Wilder is ambitious but he's no Steve McLaren or Garry Monk. 

I do think he was at a low ebb in the press conference and didn't trust himself to speak candidly leading to him mangling what he tried to say. That said, the club PR team is going to need to step in to prevent this gathering momentum. 


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Missed that . Sorry. ... Happy Birthday Jarkko.

Re the Burnley question... is it possible that it has unsettled the club and players performance is a reaction to CW not having convinced them he is really is with them for the long haul?

Maybe, but the malaise started well before today’s debacle. I doubt this Burnley link had anything to do with the Fulham and Hull defeats. 

Unless Burnley had sounded him out earlier ...

 

That said. We were unlucky against Fulham ...


   
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Got home at 20:20 thanks to a late running train from Darlington which meant I missed my connection from Newcastle adding to my bad mood following a very poor Boro performance which has already been commented on by most of the Diasboro followers. I expect CW will continue to insist that we can still make the playoffs but I see that as now only "on paper" and would rather he accepted that Sporar, Connolly and Balogun can't produce for us and will not be here next season and that Coburn should now be given the chance to gain experience by starting the last 4 matches.

Belated Happy Birthday Jarkko. It was my 74th on Saturday so at least the Boro didn't spoil that. I had to travel over on the Sunday and enjoyed my evening meal, treated myself to 2 large Riojas and was given a free Triple Chocolate Brownie! A pity the Easter holiday had to go downhill after that. 

With several players contracts running out at the end of this season I expect next season's squad will be very different to the current one. I think Gibson would be willing to pay for a push for promotion having seen us stay near the playoff positions until this current run but will be restricted by fair play rules so we need a big transfer fee for Spence.    


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Next Permanent Burley Manager
Thursday 21st April 2022 19:45
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Chris Wilder
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Sam Allardyce
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Wayne Rooney
7/1
Nuno Espirito Santo
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David Unsworth
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Michael Duff
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Daniel Farke
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Michael Carrick
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Rafael Benitez
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Those are published SkyBet odds by the way !

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https://www.oddschecker.com/insight/football/20220415-next-burnley-manager-odds-survival-specialist-allardyce-favourite

🤔 Where will Burnley turn next?
Sam Allardyce 3/1
Nuno Espirito Santo - 7/1
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer - 8/1
Daniel Farke - 10/1
Michael Duff - 12/1
Rafael Benitez - 14/1
Carlos Corberan - 16/1
Wayne Rooney - 16/1
Tony Pulis - 20/1
Michael Carrick - 25/1
Roy Keane - 25/1
 
...  so CW not even listed there. 


   
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Happy birthday Jarkko


   
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Posted by: @powmillnaemore

https://www.oddschecker.com/insight/football/20220415-next-burnley-manager-odds-survival-specialist-allardyce-favourite

🤔 Where will Burnley turn next?
Sam Allardyce 3/1
Nuno Espirito Santo - 7/1
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer - 8/1
Daniel Farke - 10/1
Michael Duff - 12/1
Rafael Benitez - 14/1
Carlos Corberan - 16/1
Wayne Rooney - 16/1
Tony Pulis - 20/1
Michael Carrick - 25/1
Roy Keane - 25/1
 
...  so CW not even listed there. 

Hmmmm.

I just checked Ladbrokes  William Hill, Betfair and Paddy Power....all have CW short odds or evens favourite. So rechecked Oddschecker site and CW is actually evens in there as well, so not sure why the link I posted had Big Sam as favourite.

Concerned....


   
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Amazingly after last nights results the playoffs are still in our own hand but probably not after our trip to Swansea, so then we can start looking forward to next season. We will need to do better in recruitment, particularly in the loan market. If you look at Forest four out of their best 5 players, on who scored, are on loan, Davis, Spence, Lowe and Garner with Zinkernagel not far behind. As I have said previously not sure how good CW is at spotting or utilising strikers from what happened with his time at Sheff Utd. We also need to try and identify talent better. On Saturday we will come up against Joel Piroe who in 29 games in Holland over a couple of seasons scored 3 times, signs for Swansea foe 1 million and has 20 goals in 41 games. There are bargains out there, the question is can we find them.


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As I said previously, mathmatically we can still make the play offs with our game in hand. However to do that we have to score goals which we are not doing and don’t look like doing.

Burnley on the other hand have seven reasonable games left, with four at home. Can they overtake Everton, definitely yes.

With a new Manager bounce and a little luck definitely yes. So who is the most lucky Manager. 

As much as CW appears a very honest guy, a good chance of Premier football next year and an increase in wages. Hard to turn down if offered to him.

Thanks for this season’s rollercoaster ride Chris.

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Can't see Chris Wilder leaving Boro before the end of the season - for a start he'd have to resign first as there's no way Steve Gibson would give Burnley of all clubs permission to speak to him. If he did resign then I'm sure Gibson would take action for an illegal approach as no manager would resign from a club in with a chance of promotion without assurances he's got the job already.

Whether Wayne Rooney would want to risk becoming probably the first manager to be relegated twice in one season is another matter - or destroying his reputation with Everton supporters by relegating them if he's successful.

Burnley's problem is that it's going to be hard to retrain many years of Sean Dyche out of their players with no real time on the training pitch left before the season ends - Big Sam may fit that job but maybe if the caretaker team can get a win at the weekend against Wolves they may stick with them.

btw It goes without saying that whatever happens, the chances of Steve Gibson installing Sean Dyche as manager must be slim given how he treated his nephew.


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Btw, did you all notice the second-half spat between Tav and Bola yesterday? Tav raced back to tackle in the left back position, and then absolutely blasted Bola, presumably for not being there. Bola fired something back, which may have been along the lines of ‘The boss has just moved me inside to centre-back (Bamba having been withdrawn), and you’re now the left wing-back.’ Howson then intervened, and it looked to me as if he told Tav to cool it. 

This was the first time this season I’d seen Boro players having a real go at each other. While I admire the clear determination and fight involved, and the demand of each other for high standards, it also smacked of a break-down in team spirit. This was perhaps understandable, given how frustrated we all were at being unable to break down Huddersfield, but it’s also worrying as the current slump continues. We’re all in this together, lads! Fight for each other, not with each other! 

Bola later took his own frustration out on a Town player near the corner flag. He looked out of control to me, and I thought he was very lucky Darren England only gave him a yellow. It could so easily have been red. These were not the signs of a happy camp, it seems to me.

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Yes I noticed the spat between Tav and Bola and was quite surprised as I haven’t seen that since the fight between Neil Cox and Ravenelli at the League Cup Final.

There could be some trouble in the camp and who knows is could be down to a potential change of manager.

It’s being reported on Twatter that Wilder has already had several meetings with the board at Burnley!

It is also reported that Wilder has attended several Burnley games whilst Dyche was still in charge although where CW could find the time for that I really find it hard to believe.

 

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I also thought Bola was lucky not to see red for that challenge as he deliberately went right through the player - as was Bamba when he did a high challenge on Rhodes while already on a yellow. Boro definitely lost their composure against Huddersfield - as well as that incident between Tav and Bola - Tav also had words with Sporar for stopping his run into the box after Tav made a near-post cross. I also recall an evil stare from Bamba towards I think Dijksteel for not running onto his pass as the ball went out.

Certainly signs of frustration yesterday as Boro didn't seem to have any answers on the pitch to breakdown an organised physical team. The question we are all wondering is whether Chris Wilder has any answers either.

I suppose we could perhaps say we've just played the three best sides in the league in Fulham, Bournemouth and Huddersfield - where the first two also have the two best defences in the Championship. Boro are now hoping they can become the sixth best side in the Championship!


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Clive

Yes I noticed the spat between Tav and Bola and was quite surprised as I haven’t seen that since the fight between Neil Cox and Ravenelli at the League Cup Final.

There could be some trouble in the camp and who knows is could be down to a potential change of manager.

It’s being reported on Twatter that Wilder has already had several meetings with the board at Burnley!

It is also reported that Wilder has attended several Burnley games whilst Dyche was still in charge although where CW could find the time for that I really find it hard to believe.

 

OFB

Unless he had permission from Steve Gibson then he wouldn't be having any meetings with the Burnley board - and I doubt he's been given permission to do that at such a crucial stage. Whether he had one of those famous clauses in his contract where he was allowed to talk to a PL club if they approached him is perhaps a remote possibility.


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🚨 | BREAKING: Simon Jordan has claimed Chris Wilder allegedly visited Burnley before the sacking of Sean Dyche.

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Just been to the TalkBFC (Talk Burnley FC) Twitter page andf there's no Simon Jordan tweet on that feed from the last seven days - Is it a fake tweet?

Also heard an interview on Talksport from Simon Jordan slagging off Chris Wilder for not clearly ruling himself out of the Burnley job and he says he expects he will be the next Burnley manger - whether that is based on any inside knowledge is another matter or is it just ratings talk?


   
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The known facts are that Wilder went to the Burnley vs Spurs match before our match against Spurs in the cup.

Jordan has an admitted grudge about Wilder.

Wilder appears to have a policy of not making concrete statements about future jobs (see Gazette's article about him at Sheffield utd)

The rest of it appears to be online hysteria and trouble-making.

I'm happy to state that there is zero chance of Wilder becoming Burnley manager this year. I don't base that on insider knowledge but I have been studying online culture (including football fandom) since 1994 and this is a classic case of smoke without fire.

That said, this is a bit destabilising for the club and "ignoring" it won't make it go away so they do need to do something about it. It is highly possible that Wilder would be irritated about having to address it though so it won't all be sweetness and light right now.


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Given the options, what would you do in CW’s position? Forget loyalty - all football managers get sacked at some point, very few resign as a matter of principle or because they think they aren’t doing well enough. 
On the one hand, at the Boro, he’s made progress, but it’s looking unlikely that he’ll get back to the PL this year. How much money will be available next year to strengthen the team? Effective strikers don’t come cheap. 
On the other hand, he’d have a similar chance of keeping Burnley up and even if he didn’t he’d have parachute payments to fund a push for promotion. 
If it was me, I’d be very tempted to go.
It’s been interesting reading Boro fans views in other sources. Suddenly, many think he’s a useless tactician, disloyal and SG should kick him out. Football fans are a funny bunch sometimes. 

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