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Liverpool didn’t win the Premier League until last season and I can’t think of anyone there.

The possible clubs are Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, Blackburn, Leicester and Man City (I think).

Maybe Jonathan Greening?


   
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Lying here in bed, racking my brain for Boro players who won the premier league and just remembered Aliadiere came to us from Arsenal and could well have a premier league medal from there.


   
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I thought of Greening as well, but did he play in ManU first team  before he came to us?

Robson never won the premiership, as he took us up into the inaugural season of the premier league didnt he. So  he  had already left Utd before the premier league days. 


   
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No Lennie Lawrence was in charge in that first Premier League season. I think Robson would have been playing for Man U then.


   
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No Lennie Lawrence was in charge in that first Premier League season. I think Robson would have been playing for Man U then.

Memory is clearly not as sharp as I  would like. I think I wax confusing the last season st Ayresome Park and the opening of the season st this Cellnet stadium!


   
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Aliadiere is a great shout though.

So that's at least 9 of the 13 (not sure about Greening and Schwarzer).

Struggling for any more to be honest. Maybe Zenden at Chelsea?

Might need a clue, Ken!

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Jimmy Floyd Hasselbankwas a other of my thoughts, but he might have been at Chelsea before they bought their first title.


   
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Does the Scottish premiership count?  ...


   
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Would Ritchie de Laet have received a winners medal at Leicester?


   
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Would Ritchie de Laet have received a winners medal at Leicester?

Really good shout AndyR. I think the answer is definitely yes. 


   
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I think this was a really good quiz puzzle and had me occupied for most of yesterday and there are two names that nobody has come up with yet. I even got confused myself when thinking of Ravanelli who of course got a winners medal in the Scudetto with Juventus, but then realised that the question was specifically about the English Premiership/Premier League which commenced in the 1992/93 season. Anyway I eventually found the answer in the Gazette a podcast between Anthony Vickers and Philip Tallertire in 2016 and I think we can all take that as being the answer:-  

1st with 4 winners medals is GARY PALLISTER in 1992/93, 1993/94, 1995/96 and 1996/97 all of course with Manchester United.

Equal 2nd with 3 winners medals are RAY PARLOUR in 1997/98, 2001/02 and 2003/04 with Arsenal and ROBERT HUTH in 2004/05 and 2005/06 plus another with Leicester City in 2015/16.

Equal 3rd with 2 winners medals each are both BRYAN ROBSON and PAUL INCE in 1992/93, and GEREMI 2004/05 and 2005/06 with Chelsea.

The other 7 players are CLAYTON BLACKMORE in 1992/93 with Manchester United,  STUART RIPLEY in 1994/95 with Blackburn Rovers, JEREMIE ALIADIERE with Arsenal in 2003/04, FABIO DA SILVA in 2010/11 with Manchester United, ADAM JOHNSON in 2011/12 with Manchester City, 
RICHIE DE LAET for Leicester City in 2015/16 having also earned a Championship winners medal with Boro in the same season, and ALVARO NEGRADO for Manchester City in 2013/14. 

I can’t think of any more, but am willing to accept those 13 as remembered by the two Gazette reporters unless anyone else can find more. I was  correct though in remembering that Mark Schwarzer didn’t qualify as I remembered reading that Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho paid for a medal to be minted despite Mark never ever having played even as a substitute for Chelsea. 

I must say that without Wikipedia I wouldn’t have been able to get anywhere near that list, but it was the recollection of that Gazette podcast that stuck in my mind, but it took some finding.

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@ken

Geremi and Clayton Blackmore the ones we missed in the end.

Good question, Ken.


   
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Geremi and Clayton Blackmore the ones we missed in the end.

Good question, Ken.

I was trying to think of Geremi but couldn't get Boateng out of my head, but knew there was a Chelsea player we had. Blackmore totally evaded me.

As Andy said Ken, good quiz, thank you.

 


   
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John Obi Mikel is a 14th player for this list.


   
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Well spotted as Chelsea won FA Cup and Premier League double in 2009/10 season, and missed by everyone including Anthony Vickers and Philip Tallertire.

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The only club to have received more stick from comedians than Boro in the past were Chelsea and most of them from comedian and former Fulham chairman Tommy Trinder whose catchword was “You lucky people!”.  Of course Chelsea were Fulham’s local rivals and hadn’t won anything until 1955 when they won their first top tier title. It wasn’t until 1970 that they won the FA Cup for the first time  and at the moment have now won no fewer than 29 top trophies in England and Europe and still counting, putting them in the top four trophy winners of English clubs. Quite an incredible rise to fame in the last 66 years. If anyone’s wondering how many trophies Fulham have won in their history - zilch, nada, none! Although like Boro they did reach the Final of the EUFA Cup in 2010 losing to Atletico Madrid after extra time. Perhaps they should have amalgamated with Chelsea when they had the chance in the early 1900s when the Pensioners were founded! If Middlesbrough is a little town in Europe, perhaps Fulham is a little club in London!

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I recall one of Tommy Trinder 's football related jokes from the 1950s. He commented on air about the activities of the Duchess of Argyll, renowned in the 50s for her high society infidelities:

"She shouldn't have married the Duke of Argyll.  She should have married Plymouth Argyll".


   
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Just discovered that Liverpool centre-back Nat Phillips is the son of former Boro full-back, Jimmy Phillips.


   
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I didn’t know where to to post this but I was watching a programme on Sky Arts this morning and a lady was being interviewed about garden animals and she found a hedgehog that was trying to mate with a scrubbing brush thinking it was a mate still in hibernation. This is not a joke, the lady was adamant. I must say it had me in tears of laughter. Maybe the male hedgehog had just woken up himself, but I thought it might be a good advert for ‘should have gone to Specsavers’.


   
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i know a few Boro fans who’ve been seen with an old scrubber 🧽!

Apparently Wayne Rooney was pretty fond of them as well!

OFB

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Harry Kane has probably played his last game for Spurs now with 165 goals in 244 appearances = an average of .676 (a goal every 133 min


   
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In comparison George Camsell as a First Division player scored 253 for Boro in 372 matches = an average of .68 (a goal every 132 and a third minutes, very similar to Kane but of course football didn’t exist before the Premier League, did it!

However in all matches for Boro plus internationals Camsell scored 363 goals in 462 matches = an average of .7857 (a goal every 114.5. minutes)

incidentally Brian Clough scored 204 goals in 220 matches for Boro (a goal every 97 minutes, albeit all in the Second Division), and Micky Fenton scored 162 goals for Boro in 269 matches a (a goal every 150 minutes all in the First Division)

 


   
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I know I’ve become obsessed about goalscoring records, first Harry Kane and the latest is Sergio Aguero who admittedly have outstanding records in the Premier League, but why is there never any mention comparing them with the great goalscoring records against pre-Premier League days. For example how can Alan Shearer be described as an all time great when it took an average of 147 minutes on average to score his 260 goals? I previously mentioned George Camsell’s record in the First Division of 253 goals in 372 appearances with his only club Boro.  But did you know that Dixie Dean scored 352 goals in 407 appearances for Everton, an average of a goal in the First Division every 104 minutes, slightly less time than Aguero’s 108 minutes, but shouldn’t he be mentioning as top marksman and Camsell third?  Also shouldn’t Jimmy Greaves get a mention with 366 goals from 528 appearances (a goal every 130 minutes for Chelsea, Spurs and West Ham), in fact early in his career he scored every 114 minutes for Chelsea. It seems to me that some statisticians tend to have forgotten our past heroes as if they never existed, especially the longevity of their careers.

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Did you know that when war was declared in 1939 and League football was suspended after each club had played only 3 League matches that a North Eastern Regional League of 11 clubs took place which was won by Huddersfield wth Boro finishing 4th?  Well Darlington who finished 8th were beaten at Ayresome Park 8-1 with Micky Fenton scoring 4 goals, but in the return fixture at Feethams 3 months later Darlington beat Boro 8-0. Some turnaround that! Well I certainly didn’t know, but I do now.

I just happened to come across this information on Wikipedia whilst looking for something else. As Michael Caine once remarked in the film ALFIE “Not a lot of people know that, and Jimmy Greaves might have retorted “Football’s a funny old game!” 

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