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Didnt watch the game so can only rely on highlights and those who did see it. I knew it wouldn’t be an easy game and so it proved!

I was “watching” via BBC live text as best I could as we had guests  and I the longer it was 0 0 with 70% possession, the more I felt uneasy although at 2 0 I did relax and my son sent my a message to the effect of, another good win in the offing. His next message of “bugger - should have kept my mouth shut” at 2 all reflected what we were all probably thinking then.

Very nervy after that and every time I checked back, I was expecting 3 2 so was delighted when it was in Boro’s favour! The added time went on for rather too long for my nerves and ta the end my drink was downed in celebration! Not split as Mrs BBD would have not been best pleased.

This team appear to have resilience that I haven’t seen for a while and given the crazy nature of the Championship, we deserve our second place - just need Blackburn and Leicester to do us favours at lunch time.

The rollercoaster continues on Wednesday for another game that could be tricky(aren’t they all?) before I head up the A1 and A19 with both offspring (a rare occurrence) for the game. Hopefully we will all witness a victory!

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@k-p-in-spain 

DB is very frustrating - a lot of positives although in the games I have seen him play at THe Riverside, he invariably will get into a great position and then contrive to do the wrong thing! Shoot when there was a player in a better position or pass the ball when a shot was the better option.

That said, in my view, unless we can find/fund a replacement, he should stay as he can be useful coming on late in a game.


   
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@k-p-in-spain I’d like you to be right about Strelec but I’ve not seem too much to indicate he’ll come good. His body language doesn’t look right to me - maybe he’s justifiably disappointed in the service he’s receiving - do we know how long his injury will keep him out of the team? 

I’d be really interested in statistics around goals scored so far this season, specifically the ratio of goal scoring shots from in and out of the penalty area. Castledine’s highlights reel seems to indicate he’s got a shot on him - having that option would add to Whittaker’s longer range efforts and give us another goal scoring option. 


   
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Posted by: @werdermouth

A word of praise for Silvera with his well-taken goal and a deft assist for the winner - to add to his goal and assist in the Southampton game. He's certainly stepped up his game and proved he can be a valuable player for Boro after looking almost certainly on the way out in the summer but filled in as left wing-back and did well early in the season and has probably played in 3 or 4 positions when asked - the joy on his face after scoring was priceless and rivals anything professional exuberant celebrater, Tommy Conway, has delivered.

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I actually found it an odd substitution to bring Burgzorg on on for Gilbert when Boro were 2-0 up with a quarter of the game to go - especially given West Brom would be pushing forward and maybe Boro needed a body in midfield - though Gilbert had made a few careless passes prior to his substitution - still it proved to be a good one with Burgzorg getting the winner but perhaps Boro shouldn't have let the game slip.

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Makes it even more impressive that Boro are second given none of the above have really featured and our main striker has managed just one penalty in the last 24 games. Imagine where this team would've been if any of them had worked out - also makes you appreciate players like Silvera who have stepped up and taken their chance!

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kim-hellberg-highlights-exactly-how-33225336

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kim-hellberg-substitute-admission-explains-33251068

 

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Posted by: @martin-bellamy

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We bank the points and move on to Stoke. Here’s hoping for a favour from Leicester at Coventry tomorrow. 

Leicester duly obliging at half-time (0-1), though the Tractor Boys are 2-0 against Blackburn...

 


   
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We bank the points and move on to Stoke. Here’s hoping for a favour from Leicester at Coventry tomorrow. 

Leicester duly obliging at half-time (0-1), though the Tractor Boys are 2-0 against Blackburn...

Not the results we wanted at full time:

Coventry 2 Leicester 1

Ipswich 3 Blackburn 0

So Boro still six points behind Coventry & Ipswich two behind us with a game in hand.  🙁  

 


   
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It feels like a particularly important win yesterday. Drawing the game after being 2-0 up with 20 minutes to go would have done some damage to the team’s confidence. Losing the game (which looked eminently like for 15 minutes towards the end) would have been disastrous for the players’ confidence. As it is, Burgzorg’s winner will have achieved exactly the opposite by reinforcing their confidence and fuelling the belief that they can win matches even when it looks unlikely.


   
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Not the results we wanted at full time:

Coventry 2 Leicester 1

Ipswich 3 Blackburn 0

So Boro still six points behind Coventry & Ipswich two behind us with a game in hand.  🙁  

Josh Coburn obviously fit again & back among the goals:  he scored the second in the Lions' 0-2 win at Watford.  

 


   
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You may have missed this but Conway had a rating of 7 and the following comment form CJ

"He didn’t really look like scoring again, but don’t underestimate the importance of his work rate in this game. Regularly floating more out to the left, his work in tracking back and winning the ball back, and then pressing high at other times was so important in this one"

So Philip in Huddersfield, don't think we will be getting rid of Tommy very soon.


   
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KIM HELLBERG feels Middlesbrough’s dramatic last-gasp win at West Brom could have a powerful positive impact on the rest of their season – and regards Delano Burgzorg’s 90th-minute winner as one of his favourite moments since taking over on Teesside.
 
 
Having been leading by two goals with 15 minutes remaining, Boro looked like throwing away two points when Isaac Price and Jed Wallace scored in the space of five minutes to level the scores.
However, rather than allowing their heads to drop, Boro’s players keep on pushing forward and their positivity was rewarded in almost the last attack of the game when Sammy Silvera rolled the ball to Delano Burzgorg and the substitute drilled an angled drive into the far corner of the net.
 
“I would have taken a 2-0 win,” said Hellberg, when asked about the manner of his side’s success. “If I get the choice, I will always choose that! But of course, I understand how important that emotion is.
“I think it is impossible to get it anywhere else. Winning a football game in the last minutes, that is a feeling that is difficult to get anywhere else. The happiness, turning around seeing everyone on the bench being so happy, it is so good for everyone. It was one of my best moments since arriving.”
Having watched his side take complete control as they established a two-goal lead, Hellberg admits he would have been extremely frustrated had they left the Hawthorns without taking all three points.

   
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@martin-bellamy.  Not sure exactly what the problem is or the timescales on the injury front.

I agree that so far he has disappointed but I believe if KH perseveres with him, gives him a good run in the side and his colleagues start to see his runs and provide the service he will become a leading scorer; he may well suit a role similar to Chuba’s, he is certainly not an all action TC closing down defenders but they may work well in tandem, given the time to gel.

I could be wrong and he may not suit the Championship but only time and fitness will tell. 😎

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Posted by: @martin-bellamy

@k-p-in-spain I’d like you to be right about Strelec but I’ve not seem too much to indicate he’ll come good. His body language doesn’t look right to me - maybe he’s justifiably disappointed in the service he’s receiving - do we know how long his injury will keep him out of the team? 

If I remember correctly, Strelec could be back for the Preston match - so not ready for Stoke but soon. Up the Boro!

 

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@malcolm But what if another player could do all that as well as scoring goals? Not only is TC not scoring but he’s not providing assists either - he’s a forward, he needs to be involved in the scoring of goals. I just hope he can get a goal soon to boost his confidence (although I’ve been saying that for too many games for my liking). 


   
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All is well that ends well.
Winning 3-2 and not playing particularly well is a bonus. The game reinforced a lot of what we know eg the defence was our strong point early in the season but without the 2 injured defenders the team looked wobbly at times and Ayling’s lack of pace was exposed. However he has so many good qualities he is very important to the team. Hopefully, Fry can regain his fitness to provide more strength to the defence.

A thought about Hackney. If he was transferred to a Premiership team he may not enjoy his football as much because I think his role in the team would be restricted.  Whereas, with Boro he has licence to play all over the pitch and has more touches and possession of the ball than other players.

The fundamental problem still needs addressing of having a proven goal scorer who is likely to score 15 - 20 goals a season. Someone who can hold up play, work in tandem with another forward and guarantee to be in the penalty area when needed. This is a player most teams need and difficult to acquire in the transfer window.   Can Strelec undertake this role ?
Based on what we’ve seen I have doubts. Doesn’t  help that he is struggling keeping fit.   Is he physically strong enough for the Championship?
This brings me on to Conway.  In all my years watching Boro I can’t remember a player doing the amount of running and closing down he does. But can any of his supporters say he is more important than the 15-20 goals a season player?   Could he work effectively with a goal scorer? Again, I am doubtful due to him operating at 100 miles an hour. There is no calmness to his play which all good players have. And, the big problem is he  is not a goal scorer- 1 goal in something like the last 20 games is not good enough.

I still think we have too many attacking players of similar limited ability who when called upon as a sub do not have a positive impact on the game. Hopefully the new signing from Huddersfield can be the exception.

One player I really like is Browne who quietly gets on with the game and his positioning to receive the ball is excellent. He makes the game look easy.

And so we move on with todays results for Coventry and Ipswich reinforcing the value of 3 points last night.         Hopefully, the next game v Stoke City ( on Sky) can yield another 3 points but preferably not a repeat of last night as I am struggling to stand the stress !!

philip of Huddersfield 👍😁


   
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@martin-bellamy 

The last game I saw at The Riverside TC scored so as I am going up again next Saturday, I am hoping I am the lucky mascot!


   
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@stircrazy  He also scored late as a sub in their 5 -1 defeat to Burnley.

Today's was a one on one. However can he keep fit and how many games and goals will he score this season. To date, 8 games, 1 goal, 650 minutes.


   
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