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BORO Home v Stoke City

Riverside Stadium

7.45pm, Tuesday 30th September (4.45am, Wednesday 1st October, Sydney)

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PRE-INTRO

Because the Stoke game follows on so quickly after Saturday’s game, I am writing this pre-intro ahead of the Southampton game with the knowledge that the detail and the language will need some adjusting in light of the outcome at St Marys. Whether this will mean tempering my euphoria about the season to date or finding some new way to mentally pinch myself after another game unbeaten is currently in the future, but I’ve decided to leave this here because it aptly describes the unreality that I am currently experiencing as a Boro supporter, a state of mind that may well be shared by a substantial number of Diasborians who can’t quite believe what is happening. I also want to remind myself that, whilst we have had a wonderful start to the journey, we will inevitably find some road bumps in our way, and we must hope that the team can cope as well with the future problems as they have with the challenges already faced.

POST SOUTHAMPTON INTRO

Having been at Southampton to experience a Boro fightback in the flesh, I have four specific conclusions to draw in addition to the learnings that I have made from watching the season to date. These have made me slightly alter my approach to this overall introduction.

  1. ANOTHER CHALLENGE FACED. After seeing us come back against Preston, it was more than encouraging to see us recover so well from going 1-0 down against Southampton. The importance of this shouldn’t be under-estimated for two reasons. Firstly, because that belief that you can get out of a difficult situation will be hugely valuable as we face other problems. Secondly, I am convinced that Southampton will be a major player this season. The game felt like a genuine stand-off between two classy sides. Not everything was good but neither side resorted to ‘lump it forward’ tactics. St Marys is an imposing ground with over 28,000 people present.
  2. RAPPORT WITH THE FANS. At the end of the game, the whole squad went over to celebrate with the Boro fans in the corner and the feedback between the two was palpable. This might seen a touch over-reaching but I now believe that the players and the management are totally committed to taking the fans along with them on this journey and this will be another major plus for the season.
  1. STRENGTH OF THE BACK 5. Almost without anyone noticing, we have put together a back 5 that compare with any other this league for sheer experience and grit. They are not up and comers learning their way, they are very seasoned professionals who have realised that this is an opportunity for their career to have a wonderful coda with this club. Britain and Targett are hard as nails full backs/wing backs but also well able to contribute going forward. Jones, Lenihan, Fry and Edmundson are power defenders and, together with our new talisman Ayling, should be able to face up to any of the challenges that this division will throw at them.
  1. ITS UP TO US. Unusually, I think that we are potentially good enough to be able to play our game without worrying too much about the opposition. Yes, we need to know who we are playing and how they might set themselves up but only so that we can decide the best way to implement our game. The management team will always be looking at game management, but I think that it is coming from this position of strength
  1. WORK IN PROGRESS. The midfield two are superb but need help. When running the game, they need others to regularly be able with a wide player as an outlet and routes forward. Finding the exact structure and players to facilitate this will be a major part of the management's team work for the next two months.

So, on to Tuesday night and Stoke City. For once, not away which negates the classic archetype that a cold night in Stoke has always conjured up. After seven games of the Championship season, we find ourselves in a position that has exceeded all August predictions. We are top of the table with seventeen points from seven games – five wins and twos draw, with our unbeaten record still intact. I must admit that I initially suggested 18 points from the first ten games and then, in a moment of uncertainty, reduced my guess to only fifteen. The fact that we surpassed my adjusted target after only six games is beyond anything that I could have imagined in that early August malaise when incoming transfers were non-existent, and only the departure of H, VDB and others loomed on the horizon.

This run continues to represent the finest start in the club's 149-year history, surpassing even Bryan Robson's legendary 1994/95 campaign that took us to the Premier League. After the Southampton game, we are averaging 2.43 points per game, a rate that would see us finish with 112 points, a total that is fun to imagine but unlikely to be achieved. However, it does underline just how remarkable this beginning to the season has been. For comparison, the best points tally in the modern Championship is Reading’s total of 106 points in 2005/2006. This represents 2.30 points per game. For those of us who like to dwell, Middlesbrough’s 1973/74 total of 65 points in a two points per win world, translates to 92 points with 3 for a win. This, in turn, represents 2.19 points per game as there were only 22 teams in the old Division 2.

Most of us have spent quite a bit of time looking at the games to date and writing some very astute comments and I don’t think that it’s productive to again go over the details. What I would prefer to do is to look at the season to date and set out a few conclusions that strike me as good pointers for the battles ahead. Some of these I have already touched upon in my comments above so will keep it short.

Firstly, we go into the Stoke game level with Preston, Charlton and Stoke as the meanest defence in the division, having conceded just five goals in seven games.  The shift to three at the back has created a much more solid structure and, except for the first Preston goal, our midfield has been able to add to this defensive solidity by cutting off most of the central lanes to our penalty area. I haven’t checked the heat map, but it is my impression that we have been deliberately defending with a tighter central structure leaving opponents relatively free to cross diagonally. This could become a problem if we play one of the ‘long ball’ teams whose chosen method of attack is to hit it up to a big forward line. Wrexham, for example, could be a side that causes us problems. There is also the possible loss of Fry and Lenihan, our two best headers of the ball. I would suggest that their absence explains why Brynn has been more pro-active in coming to catch or punch. He did get caught for the West Brom goal, but nobody is perfect.

As part of the defensive solidity, there's been a marked improvement in our set piece defending compared to last season. We've conceded zero goals from dead ball situations in our opening seven matches, a significant improvement from previous seasons where roughly 25% of goals conceded came from set pieces. I'm thinking particularly of how we dealt with West Brom and Southampton's corners, with players knowing exactly where to be both within the six yard box, covering the penalty spot and communicating throughout. On the flip side, our own dead ball situations seem more threatening, which ties into what we’ve heard about the innovative thinking that Harry Watling has brought to the coaching mix. These aren't the kind of changes that happen overnight; they speak to detailed preparation and a coaching team that's working well together.

Secondly, our goal difference at +7 is only one behind the best in the division, that being Coventry, and their record is bolstered by a 7-1 win against QPR. One should recognise that we have not been prolific in creating chances and this is the major challenge facing the club, but we have managed to score when necessary.

As a team, we are not yet close to our potential. Our defence looks good, always subject to injury. In possession, we appear to be playing a fluid 3-4-3 with both wingbacks turning up in very advanced positions and Hayden and Aidan popping up everywhere. All of that is fine but that leaves our biggest problem, the lack of chance creation. This comes down to the composition and disposition of that front three which is still very much a work in progress and to an improvement in the offensive patterns.

What gives me confidence that this could be the start of something better comes from an acknowledgement of what should be sustainable: The defensive organisation and work rate. These feel like foundational elements that should continue, given buy in by the players. With only 0.7 goals conceded per game, this isn't simply down to good fortune. Our pressing intensity and the way we're denying opponents space in dangerous areas, that's down to fitness and tactical discipline rather than luck along with a real buy-in from the players. Similarly, the improved communication and decision-making under pressure suggests genuine development rather than a purple patch.

Whilst it is still early days, we must under-estimate the impact that the new management team has made by both their statements and their actions. The direction feels genuinely different from what we've seen from prior management teams. The improved defensive structure has already been mentioned but the proactive use of substitutions has been particularly striking. This is the first time that I can recall our management team demonstrating both the knowledge to adjust the set-up during the game and the willingness to back their decisions by action. The thought of prior management making tactical substitutions at half time is hard to envisage.

When it comes specifically to chance creation, I don’t believe that the problem is a lack of direction in the coaching but rather a combination of fitness levels of certain players and the difficulty that comes from finding the ideal way of putting any new group of players together. Personally, I’m inclined to see Conway and Strelec as replacement for the Archer/Akpom combination but Sene is making a strong argument with his speed and power. He will definitely worry tiring defenders when he comes on as a ‘finisher’. Anyway, there is no harm in recognising that filling that third spot is tricky. Sene, Hansen, Whittaker, McGree (if fit) and, above all, Nypan could have a genuine claim to a permanent first team spot amongst the front three. This is a good problem to have.

I also want to acknowledge the work that has been done by Kieran Scott. I’ve always been a big fan and I know that there have always been detractors but if we now look at the business done in the last few years, there have been very few missteps of any size – potentially Whittaker but the jury is still out – and the major successes are getting too many and too lucrative to be considered a happy coincidence. Finally, along with Neil Bausor and Steve Gibson, a clear key decision was to hire Rob Edwards and put him together with Adi Viveash and Harry Watling.

Alongside the football, Edwards has been particularly impressive in handling the external pressures that come with such a start. His measured approach to media interviews, particularly how he dealt with the Morgan Whittaker situation after some supporters' reaction at Preston, shows a level of communication skills that seems to be filtering down to the entire club. There's a confidence in the players' body language, both on the pitch and in their own interviews, that suggests they're buying into something bigger than just good early results and recognising how much their rapport with the crowd will lift everyone

As supporters we are naturally impressed by the points gained. But it's not just about results – it's about squad development and potential for improvement. Our summer transfer business has been positive, with plenty of room for growth still to come as Edwards beds in his new system.

Stoke have also had to rebuild significantly after narrowly avoiding relegation on the final day of last season. They've brought in 11 new players including an interesting mixture of young and old and purchase and loan. This includes experienced players like Aaron Cresswell (35) and Steven N’Zonzi (36), young ‘projects’ in Tomas Rigo (24, E4.00m from Banik), Man City loanee Divin Mubama (20) and Lamine Cisse (22, E4.5 m from Bastia) and seasoned pros such as  Ukrainian centre-back Maksym Talovierov (25, E2.0 m from Plymouth) and Sorba Thomas from Huddersfield. A lot of the early success seems to have come through Sorba Thomas and we will have to keep a careful watch on him. He’s a player who has always blown hot and cold but his hot can be very hot. Let’s hope that Callum Brittain’s foot has healed. A quick injection, maybe?

The bigger challenge now, of course, is managing expectations – both our own and those of the wider footballing world. Edwards seems acutely aware of this balancing act, consistently emphasising that we're only seven games in whilst at the same time not dampening the growing sense of belief around the place. It's a delicate line to walk: you want players and supporters to dare to dream, but not to the extent that complacency creeps in or that a couple of poor results create a sense of crisis. We’ve all seen too many promising Boro starts over the years derailed by either getting carried away or, conversely, by being too cautious when momentum was building.

There are a lot of interesting questions to be answered.

  • How good can our new players be
  • How much comes from Rob E and how much from Adi V and Harry W
  • What will happen when we lose?
  • Are we witnessing something genuinely sustainable, or simply a perfect storm of early-season optimism?

POST SOUTHAMPTON SUMMARY  We all need to manage our own expectations. I found it great to actually see them and see the interactions that TV doesn’t show. The warm-up ended with a full-blooded sprint across the pitch and back to the dugout. Who knew? What are others seeing at games that perhaps doesn't come across on television? Which of our improvements feel most genuine to those watching week in, week out? And perhaps most importantly – how are you managing your own expectations as this remarkable start continues? Because if there's one thing I've learned from following this club, it's that the hope can be just as intoxicating as it is dangerous.

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Thank you Selwynoz for your Stoke pre match starter.  

An excellent piece of journalism which is informative, well researched, well written and thought provoking; a joy to read.

Our next two games could yet prove two of the hardest we face, with a rejuvenated Stoke under the management of Mark Robins and a testing trip to a very noisy and partisan Fratton Park.

Mark Robins seems to have a bit of a hex over us and I believe under Carrick we did not manage a win in 6 or 7 attempts; fingers crossed that this ends on Tuesday. Hopefully we can impose our own game on them and come away with all the points but a draw would not be a disaster.

As far as my expectations are concerned, I am just enjoying the ride whilst it lasts. 😎


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Great stuff, Selwyn. A very thoughtful and reflective piece with many insights on our current position, as we have come to expect from you. I thoroughly enjoyed your match report, too.  As you say you can get far more from going to the game than you can garner from TV. 

Many thanks for a thoroughly absorbing read

 


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Fantastic read @selwynoz, on point in so many areas.

My expectations ? Well I hate to quote Carrick but I dont get too high when things are great and try not to get too low when things arent great, the championship is a long slog and you dont win it or get promoted this side of Christmas but we are certainly laying some solid foundations.

However, I must be honest and say, yesterday, even after Southampton scored my expectation level was that we will definitely equalise and that comes from what we are seeing on the pitch, the togetherness and character within the squad, the pre-match huddle, the heads straight back up after conceding and the desire from the lads to get back into the game after going behind.

Tuesday night - let's break through the 20pt mark.


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Another belting starter @selwynoz. So much information and opinion in that post, along with some excellent research. 

Like everyone else, I’m genuinely excited to see how far our run can go - can’t wait to watch the game on tv on Tuesday (at home this time after 3 weeks away). 

 


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@Selwynoz Thank you for a great opener. Greatly appreciated that you were able to do it while travelling around the World. Well done.

I was thinking about Kaly Sene myself. Prior to this move, he had already scored six goals in the new season, three each in the league and the Conference League qualifying in Lausanne.

He looks like a super-sub at the moment, but he has scored eight (!) goals already this season. So he should start, really. But who to left out?

So we have a nice problem for the three attacking roles with so many good options. It would be interesting to see if we go to 4-2-3-1 sormation in some games - it would make one position more for the attacking players to accommodate. And we still have Riley to come in!

Finally, it is nice to see a match on Tuesday. Let's hope we can keep our undefeated run going on. Life is good. Up the Boro!


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Many thanks for the excellent preview Selwynoz with your usual great analytical eye and detailed assessment. I'd agree Boro this season look to have been built on a solid base but also with a mental toughness that has been lacking in recent campaigns.

Though the encouraging thing (if you need any given we're 4 points clear at the top) is that there appears to be plenty of attacking options that allows Edwards the flexibility to make those telling substitutions at any point during the game - plus of course he actually is a proactive manager (or part of a proactive coaching team more accurately) who has a flexible plan depending how the game pans out.

Perhaps the concept of a starting XI under Edwards, particularly in attack, should be viewed in terms of player management that allows them as a team to press for the whole 90+ minutes. Whether we'll see a defacto Best XI emerge will remain to be see - though I'm definitely an advocate of Nypan starting over someone like Whittaker, who I think is more akin to Azaz in that he's not a player who influences whole games but perhaps just the odd good moments - plus Whittaker has never looked comfortable playing wide and is easily brushed off the ball.

Still, imagine this team once the new attacking arrivals have settled in - we've seen glimpses of the one-touch flowing attacking moves at speed that opposition defenders can't live with - if it becomes the norm then who knows where this season can go!


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@Selwynoz

Also interesting comparison of that Reading team that finished on 106 points and our famous Jack Charlton champions from 1973-74. You made the point that it was 2 points for a win back then and also just 42 games - though you did calculate it was equivalent to 92 points today but if you were to go further and extrapolate 3.19 points per game over 46 games then you'd get 101 points so it's up there among the best.

Incidentally, Reading that season only lost 2 of their 46 games, which is a remarkable achievement - Jack's team lost 4 you will remember - which was also not bad!

However, it's probably quite hard to compare different eras as back in 1973-74, football was essentially an 11-man team over a season with just one sub and not a squad game like today. It's incredible that looking at the appearances in that Boro team back then, just 11 players played on average 40 of the 42 games - Of that first 11, three played all 42, one played 41, three managed 40, one 39, one 38 and the other two were 35 and 34 games.

So in many ways, achieving 100 points with essentially 11 players, especially given the heavier pitches too, wouldn't be emulated these days. OK, it's a different high-energy game today but the clubs also have teams of physios and medics and fitness monitoring systems.

Anyway, I wonder how many points Edward's team will end up with come May? Certainly a lot more than we expected...

 


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Another brilliant opener, Selwyn. Very well researched and written and I have to say I agree with every word.

On creativity, I think that once Nypan gets fully up to speed, we'll see more of that as he's clearly got the eye for a pass and can wriggle past opponents. It's a matter of time for me.

A fully fit Riley McGree would be the icing on the cake but I'm being greedy.

Thanks for the opener, Selwyn - a really good read.


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Selwynoz 

Thank you for your excellent preview most impressive and a masterclass on how to do a match preview.

The only thing that worries me now is I’m doing the next one against Portsmouth!!

 

Great stuff many thanks 

 

OFB


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So Dael Fry will be in the squad against Stoke tomorrow according to Edwards. Also Brittain is OK after the cut to his leg (or was it angle).

Riley McGree has joined the team for training but won't be involved  tomorrow.

So the only player injured anymore is Leninhan.  It has not looked that good for a couple of seasons. Long may it continue.

Every player will be needed and the less injuries, the better. All successful teams have very little injuries. As we saw last seaso with our share of injuries.

Up the Boro!

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Posted by: @selwynoz

BORO Home v Stoke City

Riverside Stadium

7.45pm, Tuesday 30th September (4.45am, Wednesday 1st October, Sydney)

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Let’s hope that Callum Brittain’s foot has healed. A quick injection, maybe?

Splendid starter, Selwyn. 

Despite Jarkko's reassuring words, I'm not sure a quick injection would suffice to deal with this:

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-middlesbrough-dressing-room-picture-32570847

(see photos)!

 


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@stircrazy Offering good news on the injury front, Edwards said today: “Britts is okay. It was a nasty cut to his foot, but he’s okay."

So he is able to play if chosen.  Up the Boro!


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Thanks Selwynoz for another great opening, this time for the Stoke thread. A thoroughly detailed assessment of where we are and you have tempered well, any temptation to get carried away with just where we might get to this season, at the same time recognising the potential.

I am sure visitors coming up from The Potteries will be thinking something similar about a cold Tuesday night on Teesside. Lets hope they are treated to an exciting game, but still to head home disappointed.

Isn't it such a different place we are all in. For so many seasons we have (mostly) all felt we didn't really have a great squad. This year we appear to be well covered across the pitch. I hear what you have said, Selwyn, about our midfield duo, but I agree that things can only get better as Selec and Sène get up to fitness and the team as a whole gets more and more used to each other's play.

It will be, and so it should be, tough on Tuesday. I am going take a deep breath and predict our unbeaten start will continue and that we'll be 5 points clear going into the Portsmouth game.

Am I going to borrow OFB's Boro3? You know, I think I will.

CoB

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@powmillnaemore 

 

 

l’ll go,with that too……"Boro3 Stoke 1

 

OFB

 

 


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WOW,  that was some Headliner Selwynoz. One of your best.

Detailed and a very interesting read. 

No predictions as normal, just hoping for a good Team performance and a better delivery from our Midfield Two. I do wonder if Alan Browne is due a starting slot, with HH in the number 10 position.


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I agree with everyone else, selwynoz - it’s a superb starter, really informed and informative, reflective and analytical, and beautifully written and constructed. Thank you. 

I’m a bit nervy about tomorrow night. Stoke will be tough. Let’s hope we can snatch all 3 points, but I won’t be desperately unhappy with a draw. 


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Great info selwynOz.

It looks like Sorba Thomas is the one to watch as he has three goals and three assists this season and always played well against us for Huddersfield. As with the Saints they have an ex Boro  loanee in their ranks, Lewis Baker, who came from Chelsea under Monk and then was totally overlooked by Pulis, although he did not feature at the weekend. Tonight's referee is David Webb, not the ex Chelsea defender, this one is from Lancashire. We won all three matches with him in charge last season. I think this will be a tough game and we may have to settle for a draw.


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I will predict a low scoring game at the Riverside today. For example 1-1 or 1-0.

The season so far: Goals scored by Middlesbrough 12 and Stoke City 10
Goals conceded by Middlesbrough 5 and Stoke City 5

It will be a tough match. Up the Boro! 


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If you're looking for encouragement for Boro tonight, then after winning their opening 3 league games (albeit against 3 of the current bottom 6 in Sheff Wed, Derby and Southampton), Stoke have only won one of their last 5 games and scored just 2 goals in the process...

Stoke 0 - 3 Bradford (Carabao Cup)

Stoke 0 - 1 West Brom

Stoke 1 - 0 Birmingham

QPR 1 - 0 Stoke

Stoke 1 - 1 Norwich


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Just for balance, if you're looking for things to worry about then Stoke absolutely battered Norwich in their last game with 23 shots on goal in what Mark Robbins described as their best performance of the season - but only got a point from the game. The other point is that Stoke haven't conceded more than 1 goal in any league game this season - so it should as Jarkko suggests be a tight game.


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I think if we’re going to be serious contenders this year we need to win games like tonight’s. It would set down a real marker - making the Riverside a fortress would be a huge plus. 


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It's also a bit of grudge match tonight between Mark Robins and Adi Viveash after they fell out at Coventry and Mark Robins told their chairman that he could no longer work with Viveash and he had to leave - incidentally, Robins was later sacked by Coventry because of getting rid of Adi - who weren't happy to lose him.


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Thanks Selwyn. That's a really absorbing opener, full of well thought through points. I liked the PRE-INTRO section. I suppose it's natural to worry that this level of success can't possibly carry on and to want to at least capture the moment while it's here and not to let wariness about the future overshadow current pleasures.

That's what motivated the nerd in me to turn to my beloved spreadsheets and draw a bar chart showing the current number of points for each championship team. It's a long slow languorous curve with a sudden huge spike when you get to the team in number one spot. You should see it! Childish really, but it's nice to do it now rather than waiting till a future time which may not necessarily be quite as much fun.
 
Here's hoping for an extension to the fantasy beyond 9:45 tonight.

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Hi Guys

Bit unwell at present not going tonight. 

Can’t do the preview for Saturday against Portsmouth.

Amy volunteers ?

 

Really sorry about this but was in hospital yesterday and they wanted to keep me in ! I said no but they’ve referred me to the Freeman at Newcastle to see what they can do for me.

Hope the Boro3 win tonight !

 

OFB


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@original-fat-bob.  So sorry to hear of your ongoing health issues.  Sending you all best wishes.  Hope you are well enough to watch on tv.  

Also hope the Freeman at Newcastle can find a solution.  Hope you will be feeling better soon. 😎


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Hi Guys

Bit unwell at present not going tonight. 

Can’t do the preview for Saturday against Portsmouth.

Amy volunteers ?

 

Really sorry about this but was in hospital yesterday and they wanted to keep me in ! I said no but they’ve referred me to the Freeman at Newcastle to see what they can do for me.

Hope the Boro3 win tonight !

 

OFB

 

I'll cover you, OFB.

Get well soon.

 


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Well written @Selwynoz. Like you, I don't want to "get ahead of myself" about Boro's start to this season, but it just isn't possible to ignore the enormous improvement in the quality we see on the pitch each week. And in the realistic and apparently genuine comments made by the management staff to the Press. What I will say is that, as I type this, things are already looking much better than appeared likely only two short months ago (at the end of July). 

I so much hope that OFB's "Boro 3" makes an appearance tonight. If it does, then we will have to review expectations upwards.  But a win against high-flying Stoke City will be a statement - beating the team currently third in the table and therefore stretching the gap between Boro and the following teams.  If any team continues to do that, there is only one inevitable outcome.

And for those who might be tempted to quote song titles, I note that D:Ream announced last year that the band regretted the use of "Things Can Only Get Better" in political campaigns.  Permission will not be granted for the song to be used in future campaigns. So far as I can see, that doesn't seem to cover the journeys being undertaken by sporting teams in general or by a certain team playing in red and white almost under the shadow of the Transporter Bridge (in particular)....

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Hi Guys 

 

Andy R has volunteered to do the Portsmouth preview many thanks 🙏 

 

OFB


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@original-fat-bob Thinking positive thoughts for you. Let’s hope the team give you something to smile about tonight.


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